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As-Built drawings in Civil3D

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Message 1 of 15
C3D_RickGraham
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As-Built drawings in Civil3D

Hi all,

I'm just full of questions today 🙂 When dealing with As-Built drawings, our
firm uses the simplistic approach that we put a line through the incorrect
invert and/or elevation and put in back of that the corrected information.
The line and text are bolder so they stand out on the drawing. Many times
the structure will have shifted due to change in lineal feet. However we do
not move structures. This mainly applies toward profiles.

So enter Civil3D where everything is dynamic and styles-based. How would one
approach this in C3D? My thoughts would be to use the General Note for the
corrected values. OR, since they are As-Built drawings and this is
(hopefully) the last time that we will see them, I could explode all the
'smart' text and manually edit those items.

Has anyone dealt with As-Builts in civil3D? I'd like to hear your solutions.

Thanks,

--
Rick

C3D 2007 SP3
Dell DuoCore 2.66GHz 2GB Ram 256 Dual DVI Dual monitors! 🙂
Thanks,
Rick
coauthor Mastering Civil 3D 2012
I blog at http://simplycivil3d.wordpress.com
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Message 2 of 15
Anonymous
in reply to: C3D_RickGraham

We have kicked this one around and don't know what to do either.
Some thought was given to adjusting the model to match the as-built info.
But usually this stuff just goes to an agency somewhere to be buried in a file cabinet.
Some day I suppose it would go directly into the say Municipality's GIS database but around here not yet.
Message 3 of 15

Thanks for the reply. Well perhaps we can put our heads toether and with
yours and mine we'd have 1.25 of a brain (mine is the .25) 🙂

Rick
wrote in message news:5624647@discussion.autodesk.com...
We have kicked this one around and don't know what to do either.
Some thought was given to adjusting the model to match the as-built info.
But usually this stuff just goes to an agency somewhere to be buried in a
file cabinet.
Some day I suppose it would go directly into the say Municipality's GIS
database but around here not yet.
Thanks,
Rick
coauthor Mastering Civil 3D 2012
I blog at http://simplycivil3d.wordpress.com
Message 4 of 15
Anonymous
in reply to: C3D_RickGraham

Rick:
I guess my first question(s) is "How detailed are your as-builts & do you
have to have it in a CAD format". Just thinking with Acro Plot how easy it
is to add notes, strike thrus, etc. Would this be an option.

Don't shoot the messenger!


Bill

wrote in message news:5624808@discussion.autodesk.com...
Thanks for the reply. Well perhaps we can put our heads toether and with
yours and mine we'd have 1.25 of a brain (mine is the .25) 🙂

Rick
wrote in message news:5624647@discussion.autodesk.com...
We have kicked this one around and don't know what to do either.
Some thought was given to adjusting the model to match the as-built info.
But usually this stuff just goes to an agency somewhere to be buried in a
file cabinet.
Some day I suppose it would go directly into the say Municipality's GIS
database but around here not yet.
Message 5 of 15
Anonymous
in reply to: C3D_RickGraham

DWF's and design review is another option.
Message 6 of 15

Bill,

They are not bad, its just I'm telling management that LDT *IS* going away.
so they want to get any and all issues ironed out, or they will scrap C3D
completely which will force my hand. Its just those kinds of things.

Its the case of the board drafters saying that they will die before they
have to touch a computer (yes we still have some in this office). The same
thing is happening in this office with Civil3D. I highly doubt that I will
be going ot AU this year because there is nothing LDT-wise that would
justify since they are on the verge of scapping C3D. And I prefer to not
want to work for a firm that doesn't have future vision, thus forcing my
hand.

So, in-between my projects, I'm playing with C3D to try and get it to do
what L*T does.

Yes, your idea would work, but why not just dumb-down C3D and let them draw
lines and text? It works.

'nuff said. We can speak more in private if you need 😉

Rick

"wfb" wrote in message
news:5624939@discussion.autodesk.com...
Rick:
I guess my first question(s) is "How detailed are your as-builts & do you
have to have it in a CAD format". Just thinking with Acro Plot how easy it
is to add notes, strike thrus, etc. Would this be an option.

Don't shoot the messenger!


Bill

wrote in message news:5624808@discussion.autodesk.com...
Thanks for the reply. Well perhaps we can put our heads toether and with
yours and mine we'd have 1.25 of a brain (mine is the .25) 🙂

Rick
wrote in message news:5624647@discussion.autodesk.com...
We have kicked this one around and don't know what to do either.
Some thought was given to adjusting the model to match the as-built info.
But usually this stuff just goes to an agency somewhere to be buried in a
file cabinet.
Some day I suppose it would go directly into the say Municipality's GIS
database but around here not yet.
Thanks,
Rick
coauthor Mastering Civil 3D 2012
I blog at http://simplycivil3d.wordpress.com
Message 7 of 15
Anonymous
in reply to: C3D_RickGraham

You got here a little before me John but I want to add me two cents...

I would absolutely say John is on the right track here. Publish your final
drawing set to DWF. At the time of As-Built changes, create a new
drawing(s) and use the DWF file as an underlay. Line out the old value,
text in the new value, and maybe cloud the change. With this scenario, you
preserve BOTH the original design and the as-built changes!

--
Larry Bettes
ADT, C3D (& LDT/CD)
(06, 07, & 08 with all SPs installed)
P4 - Dual Core 3.0 GHz, 3.00 GB RAM
nVidia GeForce 6800 GS AGP - 256 MB
Windows XP Pro, SP 2
Message 8 of 15
bjones9975
in reply to: C3D_RickGraham

Some of the areas here in Florida require asbuilts to be "re-drawn" not jsut a strike through because they are now putting all asbuilt data into GIS. It makes life very interesting on larger projects, but with C3D it's pretty easy. It's just all of the other data that they want in the drawing (number of turns for a valve, etc..) that is insane. But hey, that's government.


Brian
Message 9 of 15
Anonymous
in reply to: C3D_RickGraham

Hi,

Maybe I'm a Cassandra, but how many of us would rely on an "as-built plan"
as the starting point for a new design:

12 months later?
5 years later?
10 years later?
25 years later?
5 minutes after Katrina?

Has any one ever seriously compared an "as-built plan" with the survey data
they rely on when starting a new design? Which information would you rely
on?

How many designers use the notation - "Match to existing"?

I'm not advocating we shouldn't create as-built plans, but use them to
reflect "functional changes" in the design, not "construction tolerance"
changes in the finished geometry of the project. All we are doing is adding
to project overheads with no discernable economic benefit.

Even in my several years of experience in the building industry, I never
heard of a glazier who would rely on anything on paper and who didn't go on
site and do his own measurements after the essential structural framework
was in place.

--

Laurie Comerford
CADApps
www.cadapps.com.au
www.civil3Dtools.com

wrote in message news:5625401@discussion.autodesk.com...
Some of the areas here in Florida require asbuilts to be "re-drawn" not jsut
a strike through because they are now putting all asbuilt data into GIS. It
makes life very interesting on larger projects, but with C3D it's pretty
easy. It's just all of the other data that they want in the drawing (number
of turns for a valve, etc..) that is insane. But hey, that's government.


Brian
Message 10 of 15
Anonymous
in reply to: C3D_RickGraham

Right.
Just can't assume liability in a contract based upon someone's work who is not a party to the contract.
Even if you have a document that instructs you to proceed based upon certain Doc's you are supposed to have enough sense to decline.
But that is a business decision. The old risk reward judgment.
Message 11 of 15
kcobabe
in reply to: C3D_RickGraham

Most field people I have worked with will almost never look at the plans when doing a job. They will do the job and look at the prints when they need a reference only. After that they will mark it up with the way they installed it and that will be it.

I worked for a Electrical Utility, Communications, Civil Engineer, Architect, Structural engineer, and CNC Shop. All have done it there way and just marked up the plans. the only industry I have ever worked for the 100% totally adheres to the plans is Aerosapce in which I worked for Boeing in Washington state.

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Message 12 of 15
Anonymous
in reply to: C3D_RickGraham

Unfortunately, it is not an issue of who might use it. It is a matter of
the permitting agency requiring it. Therefore it has to be created and that
is the issue of this thread. I work for city government... we don't even
call them as-built drawings anymore, they are record drawings and we still
have to require that they are submitted at the end of a project. If it is a
city project, we have some control of the accuracy of the plan, but if it is
private, who knows. If the inspector did not witness the work, we can't be
sure what the contractor did sometimes. We have to pothole verify during
the final stages of our designs, just to verify our own "record data".

--
Larry Bettes
ADT, C3D (& LDT/CD)
(06, 07, & 08 with all SPs installed)
P4 - Dual Core 3.0 GHz, 3.00 GB RAM
nVidia GeForce 6800 GS AGP - 256 MB
Windows XP Pro, SP 2
Message 13 of 15
btillett
in reply to: C3D_RickGraham

I notice the last post on this subject is from 2007.  Does anyone have any updates?  What is the current ratio of municipalities requiring fixed drawing to municipalities requiring old inaccurate drawings with updated text?  And what about future phases of the same project. If you do not update the drawing information to the surveyed As-Built information, what about phase two or three, etc…  We work on multiple phased subdivisions, so we have to update the base drawing to the accurate surveyed information anyway to proceed to the next phase, why not use these new accurate drawings as As-Builts? 

Boris
Message 14 of 15
Joe-Bouza
in reply to: C3D_RickGraham

Hi Rick, I see this post has been kicking around for a bit. You probably have come up with something like this: RC the label style >> edit text component>>> format the original with dbl strike (or whatever is available to format as "out": I have to be careful about mis-guiding info these days) and manually added bold as-built values.

Thank you

Joseph D. Bouza, P.E. (one of 'THOSE' People)

HP Z210 Workstation
Intel Xeon CPU E31240 @ 3.30 Hz
12 GB Ram


Note: Its all Resistentialism, so keep calm and carry on

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Message 15 of 15
Cadguru42
in reply to: btillett


@btillett wrote:

I notice the last post on this subject is from 2007.  Does anyone have any updates?  What is the current ratio of municipalities requiring fixed drawing to municipalities requiring old inaccurate drawings with updated text?  And what about future phases of the same project. If you do not update the drawing information to the surveyed As-Built information, what about phase two or three, etc…  We work on multiple phased subdivisions, so we have to update the base drawing to the accurate surveyed information anyway to proceed to the next phase, why not use these new accurate drawings as As-Builts? 


I work for a local government and we require as-built drawings of subdivisions. We do not care how they are done, either by adding text to the construction drawings or making a new set of drawings, doesn't matter. We need as-builts for two reasons. First being it's a local law. Second being that it helps us know what actually was built, especially the storm system for our storm water utility to do their studies. Sometimes the developer will pay a surveyor to do an as-built and he/she wasn't even involved in the original design and construction of the subdivision. 

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