Annotative objects in Xref...I just cant figure out my issue

[Markintx]

Im sure this has been answered before but I have been looking and cant seem to solve it.

I have a tree point group style thats annotative, it looks good in the native drawing, and when xrefed into my sheet file it looks good in model space.

But the paper space of the sheet file is where it all goes wrong. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[looking4phil]

You have changed the Scale in the bottom right in layout view. Pretty obvious one, or select the viewport and change the annotation scale. Just my 2 cents.

[Markintx]

I have tried those two options with no results.

[Jeff_M]

Did you REGEN the viewport after changing the vp scale?

[Markintx]

I have tried a regen after any of the changes I made to remedy this problem

[jmartt]

Is the text style defined differently in the two drawings?

[Markintx]

i just checked and yes the text styles are set up the same.

[Markintx]

Anyone else have anything?

I have changed drawing units, text styles, annotation scales, viewport scales, viewport still just seems to be broken or there is some variable i havent changed.

This seems like an important part of the software to be working. Im using 2014 so were 7+ years into the development of this tool.

I just cant figure it out and really need some help.

Thanks in advance

[Jeff_M]

Can you post your 2 drawings? It would probably translate to a quicker, more definitive, answer.

[mathewkol]

The usual solution to this is:
In your paper space layout make sure the plot scale is 1:1 and the units are set to mm (if you're drawing in metres) or inches (if you're drawing in feet).

The annotation scale has no effect.
The AutoCAD test style height has no effect.

[Markintx]

Here are the two files thanks again for the help

[jmayo-EE]

I didn't look at the files yet but note this. Civil 3D labels autoscale they are not annotative. An annotative state is an AutoCAD feature that does not work on Civil 3D labels. THe autoscaling feature on Civil 3D labels does not work through xrefs. Due to this the model space scale in the reference dwg must match the viewport standard scale. And if you use annotative text, dims, etcs the viewport annotations scale should match the standard scale.

[david.zavislan]

Check your drawing settings and make sure that it is set to the same units as the source xref drawing.

[mathewkol · Accepted solution]

Here is your problem.

The two files, one is set to Inches and one is set to feet.  Below is the Edit Drawing Settings dialog accessed by right clicking the DWG name in the C3D settings tab.

The quick fix is to change the "20C-01-export.dwg" to inches.  The only way to do this is to use the AECDWGSETUP command.  In the Units tab, change the drawing units to Inches.

The better fix os not to have anything set to inches and use ONLY feet.  This will require a lot of styles tinkering in your existing "00V-BP01-20-export.dwg" file.

[mathewkol]

John, the autoscaling thing does work through XREFs.  i'm doing it with the OPs file.  New viewport, different scale than the attached XREF file and it works great.

[Markintx]

Thanks Matt this is the problem. Unfortunatly my alignment file and viewframe file ect are set to feet so when i switch the sheet to inches i get the opposite problem. The file with the trees is from a surveyor, is there any way to convert a file from feet to inches and not have to tweek every style?

[jmayo-EE]

Listen to Matt. 🙂

[mathewkol]

So you opened your surveyor's file and started working with it?  This is not the best workflow.  Instead, start a new DWG using your DWT, then INSERT his file into yours.  You will get all of his styles, but the meat of your styles will still be there.  Just assign different styles to his objects, or make only a few edits to his styles if you want to use them.

You could copy/paste his points and lines into a new DWG instead of INSERT and you would get ONLY the styles he's assigned for the objects you paste.

[changmarin]

Hi,

I was experiencing the same issue with the difference that both files were consistent in scale and styles which we set strictly annotative.  We also use metric units, ONLY meters.

We solved the undesired behavior checking the box ”Scale Objects Insterted From Other Drawings“.

Thanks for your help, hope this can add to future inquiries regarding this issue.