AutoCAD Civil 3D General Discussion

AutoCAD Civil 3D General Discussion

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*Cathy
Message 1 of 7 (271 Views)

Annotation scale revisited

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02-05-2008 01:08 PM
I wanted to verify some issues about annotation scale, if anyone could help.
I have spent most of this morning reading the various threads, and quoted
one below.

Am I correct in understanding that labels will NOT be affected by what the
viewport annotation scale is set to? And there is no setting that can be
changed to toggle off annotation for labels? This seems like a major
show-stopping issue, if it is the case. For instance, if you have a bunch of
surface labels that look great at 40 scale, but then want to do a few other
sheets at 100 scale but don't want to increase the size of the label text,
you are hosed. Am I understanding this correctly? If they would just react
with the viewport annotation scale, the problem would be completely solved.
Can anyone shed any light on this? Thank you in advance.

Cathy
2008 sp2

sinc wrote:
> In modelspace, C3D labels will scale
> according to the Annotation Scale. But that does not seem to be the
> case in paperspace viewports. In paperspace, all C3D labels scale
> according to the viewport scale, not the viewport's annotation scale.
>
> So while it is technically possible to set the annotation scale in a
> viewport different than the viewport scale, this has no effect on C3D
> labels. The C3D labels will always use the viewport scale.
>
> This seems like a bug to me. Or at least, it's an as-designed
> feature that needs its design changed, if you prefer that to the term
> "bug".

Brian Hailey wrote:
> Technically, the labels do not scale to the annotation scale, they
> scale to the drawing scale or the viewport scale. When changing the
> annotation scale in model space, the drawing scale is also changed.
> I agree with you though, the civil 3d objects SHOULD scale with the
> annotation scale and not the viewport scale for this very reason.
*wfb
Message 2 of 7 (271 Views)

Re: Annotation scale revisited

02-05-2008 02:19 PM in reply to: *Cathy
I won't get too deep because I am waiting for the annotation labeling to get
corrected for Civil 3D or I am satisfied that they work correctly.
The last time I used them, I tried to Copy -> Paste between 2 different
drawings and all H___ broke loose.

When you are talking about LABELS, I will assume you are talking about Civil
3D labels. If your labels look good in a 40 Scale viewport you just make
another layout and use a 100 scale viewport. The labels will be the same
plotted size, provided you follow correct procedures and are plotting in
paperspace at 1" = 1'. (Imperial)

Bill

"Cathy" <.> wrote in message news:5839881@discussion.autodesk.com...
I wanted to verify some issues about annotation scale, if anyone could help.
I have spent most of this morning reading the various threads, and quoted
one below.

Am I correct in understanding that labels will NOT be affected by what the
viewport annotation scale is set to? And there is no setting that can be
changed to toggle off annotation for labels? This seems like a major
show-stopping issue, if it is the case. For instance, if you have a bunch of
surface labels that look great at 40 scale, but then want to do a few other
sheets at 100 scale but don't want to increase the size of the label text,
you are hosed. Am I understanding this correctly? If they would just react
with the viewport annotation scale, the problem would be completely solved.
Can anyone shed any light on this? Thank you in advance.

Cathy
2008 sp2

sinc wrote:
> In modelspace, C3D labels will scale
> according to the Annotation Scale. But that does not seem to be the
> case in paperspace viewports. In paperspace, all C3D labels scale
> according to the viewport scale, not the viewport's annotation scale.
>
> So while it is technically possible to set the annotation scale in a
> viewport different than the viewport scale, this has no effect on C3D
> labels. The C3D labels will always use the viewport scale.
>
> This seems like a bug to me. Or at least, it's an as-designed
> feature that needs its design changed, if you prefer that to the term
> "bug".

Brian Hailey wrote:
> Technically, the labels do not scale to the annotation scale, they
> scale to the drawing scale or the viewport scale. When changing the
> annotation scale in model space, the drawing scale is also changed.
> I agree with you though, the civil 3d objects SHOULD scale with the
> annotation scale and not the viewport scale for this very reason.
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mathewk
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Message 3 of 7 (271 Views)

Re: Annotation scale revisited

02-05-2008 04:45 PM in reply to: *Cathy
I know what you're saying cathy and the answer is no. It can't be done. Civil 3d labels wil ALWAYS plot the height specified in the style. There is no way to make labels smaller in one viewport than another.

The workaround is to create a new label style and label the objects twice, each label on its own layer.

Matt
Matt Kolberg
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Sinc
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Message 4 of 7 (271 Views)

Re: Annotation scale revisited

02-05-2008 05:03 PM in reply to: *Cathy
I think this all came about because C3D has had autoscaling labels for several years now, and Autocad only got an Annotation scale in 2008.

Hopefully, Autodesk will be changing this, so that C3D labels scale according to the Annotation scale instead, and are consistent with Annotative Text.
Sinc
*Matt Kolberg
Message 5 of 7 (271 Views)

Re: Annotation scale revisited

02-05-2008 08:34 PM in reply to: *Cathy
Agreed.
*Cathy
Message 6 of 7 (271 Views)

Re: Annotation scale revisited

02-08-2008 10:43 AM in reply to: *Cathy
Thanks for your comments everyone. I hope this gets changed soon too. It
would really be powerful and would solve lots of problems if it were
consistent with the way annotative text behaves.

Cathy


Matt Kolberg wrote:
> Agreed.
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jdavis417
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Registered: ‎06-30-2007
Message 7 of 7 (271 Views)

Re: Annotation scale revisited

02-09-2008 08:52 PM in reply to: *Cathy
This needs a webcast of it's own.

I have noticed the tendency to throw the old-school L100, L80, etc. out the window and to define text styles with a zero height. How many of you do this? When I first got C3D, I set up another style "set" of AL80, AC80... (for annotative in simplex and complex fonts).
(((There were many questions here before, but I have removed them after going into a drawing and trying my "old-school" ways. YOU'RE RIGHT, it simply doesn't do what Cathy wants... IF labels had annotative abilities like mtext or mleaders AND Viewport scale and Annotation scale weren't tied together, THEN we'd really have something!))) It seems very complex and not well explained (nor thought-out???).

Concerning wfb's solution above... If you don't regen (or the plot doesn't force one... mine does, even if the viewport scale is locked first)it appears that labels don't rescale annotatively, but I'll bet they won't stay for you either...


Can we get a reply from an Autodesk representative as to a solution, it's fairly important!!!! Will we be granted full control over our labels? Or is this not Burger King?

Happy Modeling

John

P.S. Text styles with BOTH height AND font only seem to be useful in paperspace applications of dtext, qleaders (maybe mtext and mleaders, too) and one-offs... guess I need to go to "new school".

Message was edited by: jdavis417
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