advantages of land desktop 2009 over civil 3d 2010?

[Umit.Arslan]

Hi

is there any advantages or any usefull options or any usefull commands of land desktop 2009 over civil 3d 2010?

thx

[Anonymous]

Is there a point to this question? Land Desktop is dead!

Bill

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Hi

is there any advantages or any usefull options or any usefull commands of
land desktop 2009 over civil 3d 2010?

thx

[Umit.Arslan]

may be it sound a silly question but i know nothing about Land Desktop.sorry.

umit

[Sinc]

There were some aspects to things like Project Management that they had better in Land Desktop.

But overall, there is no reason to even look at Land Desktop, unless you hire on with one of those companies who is still using it, and you HAVE to. For someone used to Civil 3D, trying to use Land Desktop would be a major exercise in frustration, because you would constantly be thinking about how much faster you could do all this stuff in Civil 3D.

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[Anonymous]

A couple of advantages to LDT, althought they don't justify choosing it over
C3D are:

It requires far less hardware resources. To run C3D, many shops would have
to buy new computers for everyone who uses it.

It uses far fewer custom objects. Thus any user who can run Autocad is able
to edit a drawing. It also allows for easier exhange of CAD data with
clients and other members of a design team. The cad files are not as
sensitive to version issues as well.



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[nmessina]

Yes, there in a point to the question! The fact is that Autodesk ended production of Land Desktop Companion and intends for its users to switch to Civil 3D. The fact is that there are many commands that LDC had that Autodesk did not included into Civil 3D. Many of those commands were simple yet very effective for Surveyors. By pointing out some of the advantages of LDC may help AUtodesk improve Civil 3D to include those missing commands and features.

Here is a list of Land Desktop Companion advantages:

LDC always remembers and always automatically connect to your Project files and Survey Database for each drawing, Civil 3D does not.
LDC can separate the Symbol Block position from the Survey Point, Civil 3D can not.
LDC can label Lines and Curves by Points, Civil 3D can not.
LDC is far more stable, although Civil 3D is getting more stable.
LDC can accomplish some tasks with only a 1-3 steps such as List Points whereas Civil 3D requires alot more work for such commands.

I'm not saying Land Desktop is better than Civil 3D cause its not, its just far more simple to learn and use.

[Sinc]

> {quote:title=Nicholas Messina, Psm wrote:}{quote}

> I'm not saying Land Desktop is better than Civil 3D cause its not, its just far more simple to learn and use.

I'm not so sure of that. For example, remember what we had to do to get a volume in LDD?

LDD had fewer features and was less capable, so it was less overwhelming than C3D. But I'm not so sure it was "easy" to learn to use that often-backward software.

Think about how many years you spent learning to use it, compared to C3D.

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[Sinc]

Oh, and as for the items in your list, I agree with some of them. Project Support wasn't very good in LDD, but it was much better than in C3D. And the inability to label Lines or Curves By Points has been a constant thorn.

But I've been working pretty hard at filling some of the other gaps. For example, your marker problem can be solved with the MarkerExtract tool. And while it isn't exactly a replacement for List Points, the DisplayPoints tool can do some of the same things, as well as some other things that LDD simply did not do. (And actually, the API may have finally made enough of an advancement that I might be able to do something about that Line/Curve By Points problem...)

We've also got some other tools in the works, which might help with one of the other issues you mentioned, as well as several that will help with issues you didn't mention. Civil 3D is pretty powerful, but (in my opinion) Civil 3D with third-party additions is more powerful than any other software out there. There's still some tools from Carlson that we'd like to have, but overall, we think it's even a better solution for Surveyors than Carlson. Assuming you can work through the initial pain of adoption, of course.

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[Anonymous]

"Civil 3D is pretty powerful, but (in my opinion) Civil 3D with third-party
additions is more powerful than any other software out there."

Hi Richard,

In regards to your opinion that C3D with 3rd
party enhancements is the most powerful softare out there, I would agree that in
some ways it has superior capabilities to many other products,
particularly in regards to it's dynamic alignments and profiles and it's
annotation capabilities. I also would agree that it is a very capable
application in that it can handle many complex design scenarios flexibly and
intelligently. In spite of it's many strengths and capabilities I find it
is cumbersome to use on several fronts. That along with it's
instability and doggy performance have kept me from embracing it. I've been
following it's development since it was first introduced in 2004 and now
as we are about to receive the 2011 release I still don't
find myself enthused by what I've seen in the previews. I feel the product
has a long way to go before I would consider it the most powerful out there. In
particular I feel it needs better integration with Autocad and Map.

I also have to ask, what other applications have
you evaluated that lead you to conclude there are no other products that
are as powerful? I know you took a look at Inroads. What did you find was
lacking? Have you seen Bentley's new Civil Geometry capabilities? From what I've
seen it is far more capable than C3D's implementation of offset and widening
alignments.

I'm not meaning to discredit your statement nor do
I want to start a debate. I'm was just wanting to get a better
understanding of your experience with other products.

Regards,

Neil

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[Sinc]

> {quote:title=Guest wrote:}{quote}
>

I'm not meaning to discredit your statement nor do
> I want to start a debate.

You disagree, and you think InRoads is more powerful and better for Surveyors, yet you don't want to debate why?

Then what was the point of your post? Or more to the point, if we don't want to debate any reasons why, what is the point of a reply?

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[Anonymous]

I never said I thought Inroads was better for
surveyors, nor did I think the topic or your comment was limited to
surveying. I have never run InRoads, though I have viewed webacasts and
have a basic idea of how it works. I am not saying I feel InRoads is
superior, but I have seen and experienced many aspects of Microstation
and the Bentley vertical products that I feel are superior to the C3D/Autocad
solution. As far as I know you only ran
Inroads for the 30 day trial period which would give a very limited insight
into it's capabilities, especially so if you were not familiar with Microstation
to boot. That is why I was wondering to what extent you had evaluated their
products and if you included them in your assesment.
face=Arial>That is all I was asking.

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[mspatz]

LDT also allows you to superelevate a road by four different methods (A, B, C & D):

(from memory, so don't quote me)
A. about the CL
B. about the inside edge of the road
C. about the outside edge of the road
D. (can't remember)....

C3D does not! I knows, I can't believe it either...

That said, if you have not used the Sections tools in LDT before, good luck figuring them out by yourself. It is practically impossible without someone that knows the tools giving you some guidance and troubleshooting along the way. Whereas C3D is drag-and-drop. I can create a simple road model and sections in Civil 3D in about 10 minutes. LDT it would take me 30 minutes just to create a Template (assembly) and have it be expandable to complete the design details when needed.

mspatz

[nmessina]

Yes, in Civil 3D volumes are much better, however there are some things that Civil 3D makes far too complicated. Take for example List Points. In Land Desktop Companion the [ List Points ] dialog box was simple and very effective for accomplishing mulitple tasks in one box and one command. In the LDC List Points dialog box: you can quickly list all points or select a few points; create a point group, ( in one click); you can print the points to a printer, print the points to a file. These are tasks that Civil 3D can do, but takes 3-5 times longer with multiple steps.