Actually, I would like to expand that thought

[Anonymous]

Can one sample sections without a alignment? If you remember, LDD 2004 would allow you to define a site, create a stratum and sample M (x) or N (y) grids? (no these are not functions but directions) Is this not possible in Civil 3D? I exported my surface, via LandXML, and ran the numbers on a stratum to get a adjusted report.
Thanks,
Mark Driver, TN RLS & EI
Landmark Surveying Associates, Inc.
mdriver@lesainc.com
Civil 3D 2008 SP2
Civil 3D 2009
Custom Machine, XP Pro SP2, 3GB

[Anonymous]

Sections are tied to alignments as far as I know.

Surfaces Utilities Volumes... creates a composite volume (no other option that I am aware of)

However, if you really wanted a grid volume:
Create surface in prospector
Select Grid volume surface as type (adjust x and y)
Choose base and comparison surface
Run bounded volume for grid volume

I am not sure how C3D calculates end area

[Anonymous]

Isn't that the same as doing a grid volume surface in C3D?

wrote in message news:5990662@discussion.autodesk.com...
Can one sample sections without a alignment? If you remember, LDD 2004 would
allow you to define a site, create a stratum and sample M (x) or N (y)
grids? (no these are not functions but directions) Is this not possible in
Civil 3D? I exported my surface, via LandXML, and ran the numbers on a
stratum to get a adjusted report.
Thanks,
Mark Driver, TN RLS & EI
Landmark Surveying Associates, Inc.
mdriver@lesainc.com
Civil 3D 2008 SP2
Civil 3D 2009
Custom Machine, XP Pro SP2, 3GB

[Anonymous]

Yes it may be but LDD 2004 allows you to use the stratum to run all three methods, grid, composite and avg. end. Not trying to compare LDD here just want to compare results from different sides of the story.
Mark Driver, TN RLS & EI
Landmark Surveying Associates, Inc.
mdriver@lesainc.com
Civil 3D 2008 SP2
Civil 3D 2009
Custom Machine, XP Pro SP2, 3GB

[Anonymous]

Mark,

I do a lot more volume calcs with sections in C3D today. In LDT I used the
grid & avoided alignments for many small sites.

Creating an alignment is as simple as creating a line. Given any two
surfaces to compare I can get sections, section lines & an avg end area
table on any project in a fraction of the time it took in land on every
project even if I have to create a single tangent alignment right down the
center of the site.

Just so we understand you better, why is creating an alignment such a big
issue?

--
John Mayo, PE
Project Engineer
Conklin Associates
Ramsey, NJ

Civil 3D 2008 SP2, LDT 2008 SP2, Raster Design 2008
P-IV at 3.5 GHz
2 GB Ram
Nvidea Quadro FX w/ 128 MB Ram
wrote in message news:5990662@discussion.autodesk.com...
Can one sample sections without a alignment? If you remember, LDD 2004 would
allow you to define a site, create a stratum and sample M (x) or N (y)
grids? (no these are not functions but directions) Is this not possible in
Civil 3D? I exported my surface, via LandXML, and ran the numbers on a
stratum to get a adjusted report.
Thanks,
Mark Driver, TN RLS & EI
Landmark Surveying Associates, Inc.
mdriver@lesainc.com
Civil 3D 2008 SP2
Civil 3D 2009
Custom Machine, XP Pro SP2, 3GB

[Anonymous]

It's not an issue at all. I did create a alignment down the middle, created a sample group, material list, etc. and have moved on. All very easy to do. I was just interested in knowing if Civil 3D had the ability to create all three reports like LDD did, with stratums, for comparisons instead of once here and once there. That's all. I wasn't questioning the speed of any routines from one software to another nor was I trying to make a issue out of it. Just need the information. I realize Civil 3D is much faster but users needn't be so gun shy on this board. People can ask general questions without a sense of attack. If I attack the product you'll hear it straight.
I appreciate your input John on this. Please don't take my response wrong. You do remember stratums right?
Thanks,
Mark Driver, TN RLS & EI
Landmark Surveying Associates, Inc.
mdriver@lesainc.com
Civil 3D 2008 SP2
Civil 3D 2009
Custom Machine, XP Pro SP2, 3GB

[Sinc]

Why do you want to calculate volumes all those ways?

I really haven't found any need for any sort of volume comparison except the composite (TIN volume in C3D). The end-area and grid are simply less-precise versions of the composite.

-- Sinc
http://www.ejsurveying.com
http://www.quux.biz
http://www.sincpac3d.com

[Anonymous]

I do. Section Volume, Composite & Grid methods all to avoid templates &
sections on a single family home plot plan. 😉

--
John Mayo, PE
Project Engineer
Conklin Associates
Ramsey, NJ

Civil 3D 2008 SP2, LDT 2008 SP2, Raster Design 2008
P-IV at 3.5 GHz
2 GB Ram
Nvidea Quadro FX w/ 128 MB Ram
wrote in message news:5991093@discussion.autodesk.com...
It's not an issue at all. I did create a alignment down the middle, created
a sample group, material list, etc. and have moved on. All very easy to do.
I was just interested in knowing if Civil 3D had the ability to create all
three reports like LDD did, with stratums, for comparisons instead of once
here and once there. That's all. I wasn't questioning the speed of any
routines from one software to another nor was I trying to make a issue out
of it. Just need the information. I realize Civil 3D is much faster but
users needn't be so gun shy on this board. People can ask general questions
without a sense of attack. If I attack the product you'll hear it straight.
I appreciate your input John on this. Please don't take my response wrong.
You do remember stratums right?
Thanks,
Mark Driver, TN RLS & EI
Landmark Surveying Associates, Inc.
mdriver@lesainc.com
Civil 3D 2008 SP2
Civil 3D 2009
Custom Machine, XP Pro SP2, 3GB

[Anonymous]

To appease the review engineers who always requested an avg end area.
Providing the report from the three other methods typically would cure them
of the, "I can only deal with avg end area" syndrome.

--
John Mayo, PE
Project Engineer
Conklin Associates
Ramsey, NJ

Civil 3D 2008 SP2, LDT 2008 SP2, Raster Design 2008
P-IV at 3.5 GHz
2 GB Ram
Nvidea Quadro FX w/ 128 MB Ram
wrote in message news:5991135@discussion.autodesk.com...
Why do you want to calculate volumes all those ways?

I really haven't found any need for any sort of volume comparison except the
composite (TIN volume in C3D). The end-area and grid are simply
less-precise versions of the composite.

-- Sinc
http://www.ejsurveying.com
http://www.quux.biz
http://www.sincpac3d.com

[Anonymous]

What John said regarding the multiple volume calcs. Any way I have simply did as I said, created a alignment, a sample group, material list, etc. and have held faith in the composite method.
Thanks for the information and questions,
Mark Driver, TN RLS & EI
Landmark Surveying Associates, Inc.
mdriver@lesainc.com
Civil 3D 2008 SP2
Civil 3D 2009
Custom Machine, XP Pro SP2, 3GB

[Sinc]

That actually cures them? 🙂

-- Sinc
http://www.ejsurveying.com
http://www.quux.biz
http://www.sincpac3d.com

[Anonymous]

Hi,

I never have any faith in a computer's computed output till I compare it
with the first order magnitude computation I did in my head. That way
I'm confident the decimal point is in the right place.


Regards

Laurie

mdriver wrote:
> What John said regarding the multiple volume calcs. Any way I have simply did as I said, created a alignment, a sample group, material list, etc. and have held faith in the composite method.
> Thanks for the information and questions,
> Mark Driver, TN RLS & EI
> Landmark Surveying Associates, Inc.
> mdriver@lesainc.com
> Civil 3D 2008 SP2
> Civil 3D 2009
> Custom Machine, XP Pro SP2, 3GB

[Anonymous]

Laurie:

Over here in the states I get a real fuzzy feeling when someone asks if the
answer is cubic yards or cubic feet.

Bill

"Laurie Comerford" wrote in message
news:5991224@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hi,

I never have any faith in a computer's computed output till I compare it
with the first order magnitude computation I did in my head. That way
I'm confident the decimal point is in the right place.


Regards

Laurie

[Anonymous]

I ordered some top soil to redo my yard once, the guy on the other end of
the phone asked how many yards, I said "I'm just doing my yard the neighbors
can do their own"

--
Murph
www.map3d.wordpress.com


"wfb" wrote in message
news:5991327@discussion.autodesk.com...
Laurie:

Over here in the states I get a real fuzzy feeling when someone asks if the
answer is cubic yards or cubic feet.

Bill

[Anonymous]

In a world where the developers give in to the towns demands rather than
waste time & money in court, where design engineers get review letters
asking if bird baths were included in cover calcs, where planning board
members visit residential properties to insure AC & utiltty pads are
included in calcs, where it takes 4 years to approve 1 acre of development
on a 23 acre lot located in an industrial zone within the Highlands (newly
created environmentally protected watershed region), where a property in the
said Highlands region was selling for 1.2 mil 4 yrs ago & just sold for a
best offer of $200,000, where NIMBY property owners can form environmental
advocacy groups on a dime & hold up a project for 5 yrs in the name of
saving farms which haven't been in town for 50 yrs, where a town can claim
to measure & enforce floodplain construction to 1/100'th of an inch, where
the towns are afriad to approve anything with the afforadble housing
regulations totally conflicting with the environmental regulations, in a
place where a ZB chairman can stand & say to an applicant, "I don't like the
way your house looks, I'm votiing no. Can we get a second."

The review engineers I deal with are much more comfortable with avg end are
because it is and has always been the most commonly accepted method. When
law suits start flying any deviation from the norm is a risk.

But that just my take on NJ. 😮

John



wrote in message news:5991169@discussion.autodesk.com...
That actually cures them? 🙂

-- Sinc
http://www.ejsurveying.com
http://www.quux.biz
http://www.sincpac3d.com

[Civil3DReminders_com]

Sounds like you got it pretty easy. We got creeks here that are dry 360 days of the year, but some how have an ordinary high water mark 2 feet above the bottom of the ordinarily dry creek.

Christopher
http://blog.civil3dreminders.com/

[Anonymous]

I'll post a link to a drum roll once I get off the floor. 🙂

--
John Mayo, PE
Project Engineer
Conklin Associates
Ramsey, NJ

Civil 3D 2008 SP2, LDT 2008 SP2, Raster Design 2008
P-IV at 3.5 GHz
2 GB Ram
Nvidea Quadro FX w/ 128 MB Ram
"Murph" wrote in message
news:5991301@discussion.autodesk.com...
I ordered some top soil to redo my yard once, the guy on the other end of
the phone asked how many yards, I said "I'm just doing my yard the neighbors
can do their own"

--
Murph
www.map3d.wordpress.com


"wfb" wrote in message
news:5991327@discussion.autodesk.com...
Laurie:

Over here in the states I get a real fuzzy feeling when someone asks if the
answer is cubic yards or cubic feet.

Bill

[Anonymous]

Isn't that wetlands or SOW? 😉

--
John Mayo, PE
Project Engineer
Conklin Associates
Ramsey, NJ

Civil 3D 2008 SP2, LDT 2008 SP2, Raster Design 2008
P-IV at 3.5 GHz
2 GB Ram
Nvidea Quadro FX w/ 128 MB Ram
wrote in message news:5991558@discussion.autodesk.com...
Sounds like you got it pretty easy. We got creeks here that are dry 360 days
of the year, but some how have an ordinary high water mark 2 feet above the
bottom of the ordinarily dry creek.

Christopher
http://blog.civil3dreminders.com/

[AllenJessup]

Come on John. Tell us how you really feel!

A friend had a client come in to his office the other day. My friends company had billed him 6 hours for making changes to a set of plans after a planning board review. But the client wasn't in to complain about the bill. He was in to ask how it could be that my friends engineering company had only charged 6 hours for the changes when the consultant for the planning board had billed 28 hours to review the changes.

The client had been to the town to complain. The town admitted that the bill was probably too high. But they said that under the contract with the consultant they had no involvement in billing and couldn't do anything about it.

Allen

[Anonymous]

Perhaps he was checking the Grid Volume calc by hand. 😉

Overfilling? Been there, seen that, township engineer fired for billing 2-3
times more inspection time than the contractors had logged in field. New
review engineer requires all retaining walls to be calced with a 3.5 factor
of safety. Now I'm looking for 100 6' diameter boulders for a 4' high
fieldstone wall. 😮

--
John Mayo, PE
Project Engineer
Conklin Associates
Ramsey, NJ

Civil 3D 2008 SP2, LDT 2008 SP2, Raster Design 2008
P-IV at 3.5 GHz
2 GB Ram
Nvidea Quadro FX w/ 128 MB Ram
wrote in message news:5992086@discussion.autodesk.com...
Come on John. Tell us how you really feel!

A friend had a client come in to his office the other day. My friends
company had billed him 6 hours for making changes to a set of plans after a
planning board review. But the client wasn't in to complain about the bill.
He was in to ask how it could be that my friends engineering company had
only charged 6 hours for the changes when the consultant for the planning
board had billed 28 hours to review the changes.

The client had been to the town to complain. The town admitted that the bill
was probably too high. But they said that under the contract with the
consultant they had no involvement in billing and couldn't do anything about
it.

Allen