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2013 hunderds of group commands in undo

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Message 1 of 24
Joe-Bouza
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2013 hunderds of group commands in undo

Is there a known problem with 2013 undo? I can be in a new drawing issue 2 commands and the undo drop down is populated with 100's of group commands, makinf Ctrl z useless

Thank you

Joseph D. Bouza, P.E. (one of 'THOSE' People)

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Message 2 of 24
neilyj666
in reply to: Joe-Bouza

Yes I believe it is - I think there are threads in the main AutoCAD 2013 forum.

 

I don't know if there is a solution but I doubt that this issue will be very high on the Autodesk priorities list...Smiley Frustrated

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Message 3 of 24
Joe-Bouza
in reply to: neilyj666

Thanks

Thank you

Joseph D. Bouza, P.E. (one of 'THOSE' People)

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Message 4 of 24
Murph_Map
in reply to: Joe-Bouza

Simple solution, DON'T make mistakes and you done have to undo. 🙂

 

An older version of Map3D did this too, it was some  little thing that my old brain can't think of what it was that caused it right now.

Murph
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Message 5 of 24
Joe-Bouza
in reply to: Murph_Map

Oh I didn't make any mistakes Smiley Surprised

 

I was only lookin to see what was under the back arrow and was surprised to see so much Smiley Tongue

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Joseph D. Bouza, P.E. (one of 'THOSE' People)

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Message 6 of 24
SethHall
in reply to: Joe-Bouza

Have a look at this thread: http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/AutoCAD-2013/UNDO-List/m-p/3787195/highlight/true#M12330 


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Message 7 of 24
Joe-Bouza
in reply to: SethHall

Hi Seth

 

Not sure how to interpert the answer, what should the undo options be?

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Joseph D. Bouza, P.E. (one of 'THOSE' People)

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Message 8 of 24
AllenJessup
in reply to: Joe-Bouza

Try setting it up this way. But if there is truly a but. I don't know if this will help.

 

Command: UNDO Current settings: Auto = On, Control = All, Combine = Yes, Layer = Yes

Enter the number of operations to undo or [Auto/Control/BEgin/End/Mark/Back] <1>: C

Enter an UNDO control option [All/None/One/Combine/Layer] <All>: C

Combine zoom and pan operations? [Yes/No] <Yes>:

 

Command: Command: UNDO Current settings: Auto = On, Control = All, Combine = Yes, Layer = Yes Enter the number of operations to undo or [Auto/Control/BEgin/End/Mark/Back] <1>: C

Enter an UNDO control option [All/None/One/Combine/Layer] <All>: L

Combine layer dialog operations? [Yes/No] <Yes>:

 

Allen Jessup


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Message 9 of 24
SethHall
in reply to: Joe-Bouza

Sorry Joe I should have made myself clear, as it wasn't really an answer per say, but a redirection to the issue being discussed in the AutoCAD forums.


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Message 10 of 24
AllenJessup
in reply to: Joe-Bouza

Is this happening in one drawing or in a lot of them? If it's only one drawing have your tried and Audit or recover?

 

Allen Jessup



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Message 11 of 24

I have done more testing this morning and I think I know what is causing the Undo to fail.

 

I have narrowed it down to Associative Hatching that will cause the Undo to all of sudden list every mouse zoom as an Undo command and as soon as I take off the associative hatching then the Undo command will work and will combine all the mouse zooms into 1 undo command.

 

Could someone verify this and see if you get the same results.

Start a brand new drawing by using Autodesk Civil 3D template "_AutoCAD Civil 3D (Imperial) NCS.dwt" which is located under C:\Users\Your User Name\AppData\Local\Autodesk\C3D 2013\enu\Template.

Save the drawing before you do anything, then just drawn a couple of lines, then using your mouse middle button to zoom in and out, then go to the Undo icon pull down and you should only see a few undo commands. Now draw a rectangle and hatch it with Ansi 31 and do not make it associative hatch yet, once done save it, then using middle mouse scoll button again zoom in and out and then go back to the undo and again you should only have a few Undo commands.

Now let's see if we can break it, now select the existing hatch and make it associative hatch, now save the drawing, now just draw a line, check undo, now use middle mouse button to zoom in and out, now go back to the Undo and in my testing you should get a whole bunch of Undo commands.

 

I would also be curious if you take an existing drawing that you know you are having problems with and if it by chance has hatching in it select it and see if it's associative hatch and if it is turn it off and see if that fixes that drawing.

 

I have doubled and tripled checked everything and with all my testing I have concluded that Associative Hatching causes the Undo command to not combine all the zoom in's and out's into 1 Undo command like it suppose to.

 

So now if I can get other people to test this and reply back to this post then maybe Autodesk can get to work on it to solve this problem.

 

Thanks

Brent Morris

Message 12 of 24

Correction, I meant to say Annotative versus Associative, so replace Annotative for the word Associative in my previous reply

 

Sorry about that.

Brent Morris

Message 13 of 24

I still get 161 commands after drawing 2 lines with a pan zoom
Thank you

Joseph D. Bouza, P.E. (one of 'THOSE' People)

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Message 14 of 24

Does your drawing have annotative hatching in it, if so change all hatches so they are not annotative hatches

Message 15 of 24

by default HPANNOTATIVE system variable is 0 (Off)

Rick Jackson
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Message 16 of 24

I have been able to confirm on 3 different machines that the Undo command will fail if we have just 1 hatch that is set to annotative hatch and this only happens in Civil 3D 2013 SP2 and Civil 3D 2014 No service packs.

I have tested this also in Civil 3D 2012 SP3 and the Undo works fine and I couldn't break the undo by using annotative hatching at least with SP3.

I have also tested this with ADT & MEP 2013 & 2014 and the problem only exists with Civil 3D 2013 & 2014 and only if there is just 1 piece of annotative hatch within that drawing.

 

It doesn't matter if the HPAnnotative system variable it 0 (off), if there is 1 piece of hatch within that drawing that has annotative hatching turned on within a Civil 3D 2013 or 2014 drawing then the Undo doesn't work correctly.

 

I have been able to take the Civil 3D 2013 & 2014 drawings that have this problem and change every single piece of hatching and turn off the annotative hatching and the Undo will start working for that drawing jsut like it's suppose to.

 

 

Message 17 of 24

Hi there,

 

Me too i've encountered this problem since a few weeks.

It always does a lot of "Group of commands" and then it fills up the undo space's so it gets overflowed.

 

Here's a printscreen : 

 

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Message 18 of 24

My properties dialog box claims there are no Anno Hatch or any hat for that matter and the undo issue persist

Thank you

Joseph D. Bouza, P.E. (one of 'THOSE' People)

HP Z210 Workstation
Intel Xeon CPU E31240 @ 3.30 Hz
12 GB Ram


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Message 19 of 24
rl_jackson
in reply to: Joe-Bouza

I to have no hatch whatsoever, and have still not solve this issue.

Rick Jackson
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Message 20 of 24
AllenJessup
in reply to: rl_jackson

I've verified, at least in Joe Bouza's case, that it is caused by a problem in the template. What that problem is I don't know. Autodesk suggests recreating the template in this case. Most people don't want to take the time. You might try Recovering our template.

 

I've meant try dragging in a group of styles one at a time from Joe's template to see if it's connected with a certain style. But that's on my very long Round-tuit list.

 

Allen



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