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Yes, I completely agree. That means most c3d users cannot take the "delete Root of NOD" approach for files with c3d objects.
We ourselves do not do that to drawings we use for civil3d surfaces and grading objects.
The non-c3d crowd is affected by this too though, and is about 40% of consultants.
They are seeing files bloated by 1 mb and have no way to clean them.
On top of that, they suffer from the speed issue if OE's are installed.
I'm just wondering what made Autodesk take notice of the issue. It got ignored for years.
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I'm just wondering what made Autodesk take notice of the issue. It got ignored for years.
Maybe @lou.holland or @louisa_holland can share this.
and if the autodesk team thinks they are fooling us with the "Performance Enhancement Tool" title, instead of calling this a long time bug fix, what must they think of us?
The fix was done for releases back to 2014, this telling you someone at Autodesk had a big OOPS moment.
It didn't work for Hillary to hide info, and it doesn't work for Autodesk either. We deserve some commentary from Autodesk on this.
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Um, did I just read future SP's will only be available through the Application Manager?
How do you automate that?
I have 100 users that need 2017 sp1.1, and they don't have admin rights, nor the authority to choose what SP's and other junk should be installed.
Surely Autodesk does not intend to have an admin log in and patch things manually.
Tell me I missed something, please, please
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@jmaeding wrote:
Um, did I just read future SP's will only be available through the Application Manager?
How do you automate that?
I have 100 users that need 2017 sp1.1, and they don't have admin rights, nor the authority to choose what SP's and other junk should be installed.
Surely Autodesk does not intend to have an admin log in and patch things manually.
Tell me I missed something, please, please
I seriously hope that's not true. Not only that, I read that you will need to be a subscriber. If you're on the "old" VIP Program (showing my age, or maintenance, what does this mean? No more service packs?
we are waiting Autodesk.
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A couple friends said they could download the C3D 2017 sp 1.1 from their account page. They sent screenshots showing it.
But its missing from mine. I see c3d 2016 updates, but not 2017.
I do see our 2017 product listed, so its not an issue of adesk forgetting we own c3d 2017.
What's going on here? Are the c3d 2017 sp's supposed to be showing on the account page or not?
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A couple friends said they could download the C3D 2017 sp 1.1 from their account page. They sent screenshots showing it.
It's available for us.
#3: SP 1.1 not showing up in application manager is still a mystery. Thanks to your help I've given the team that develops that tool several logs.
If we had the proper GUID string name for the folder, and we created it and manually placed the SP1.1 exe file in there, would the installer pick it up and run with it - or are there more files that would have to be modified?
Below is my \Img\Updates folder that already includes the five updates shown.
I have run into what looks and feels like a problem with this update. Using C3D 2014.
I have a drawing that when opened with the patch in place, crashes with a fatal error at the end of the open process.
If I restore the original .dbx file, the drawing opens fine.
The same drawing opens fine in 2016 and 2017.
Thoughts @lou.holland ?
Since replacing the AeccNetwork.dbx file to fix Civil 3D 2016, I have noticed an increase in errors reported using the AutoCAD AUDIT command. The errors relate to the AeccDBNetworkRule(xxxx).
The errors recur after fixing and then reopening the drawings. Any possible correlation to the performance fix?
Am I to understand every file has to be opened and saved for the patch to work?
And pardon if I'm redundant: apply this to all acad and acad vertical installs or just civil3d installs?
Well. Yes. Each file has to be saved. However batch files are provided to do this it large groups.
Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager
Am I to understand every file has to be opened and saved for the patch to work?
Yes. With the patch (new DBX file) in place, the unknown bloat is either stripped during the open process or during the save process. Either way it's gone after a save.
If a non-patched machine opens the file and saves, the bloat is back.
And pardon if I'm redundant: apply this to all acad and acad vertical installs or just civil3d installs?
You'll only have one .dbx file for each year. So one for 2015, 2016, 2017, etc. Others reside in installation and deployment folders. @lou.holland I believe that a repair or reinstall will overwrite the new .dbx.
Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager
I saw that, but I and you and everyone else must have thousands of files on the servers, or do I have to open and save only-c3d related files?
What confused me was that 2014 looks into a civil3d folder and 2015 looks into an acad folder and the white paper does not discuss any other acad installs. I trying to understand if the patch needs to be applied to MEP workstations
@Joe-Bouza wrote:What confused me was that 2014 looks into a civil3d folder and 2015 looks into an acad folder and the white paper does not discuss any other acad installs. I trying to understand if the patch needs to be applied to MEP workstations
Don't forget that older versions of Civil 3D installed the entire AutoCAD platform (in a separate Civil 3D folder) even if you already had plain AutoCAD installed. New versions of Civil 3D do not. They use the same AutoCAD platform as plain AutoCAD. (Even if you don't have plain AutoCAD installed.)
Have a look at my AutoCAD 2017 folder. I do NOT have Civil 3D 2017 installed so there is no AeccNetwork.dbx to even update.
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Joe, the question is, do you have to open the files in the editor.
Because opening as side database, and not resolving xrefs is way faster, I will check on that as my app id/dwg cleaner does side database.
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