AutoCAD Architecture General Discussion

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LeaAllenDesign
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Registered: ‎11-18-2008
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Is it worth getting the Autocad Architecture??

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11-18-2008 11:02 AM
I am currently working with AutoCAD Lt and heard that the Cad Arch is easier with construction docs and things in general with this field. Is it true?? Please help!

Also- does anyone know if I can upgrade from 08lt to Cad 09 arch?? Is that possible?

Thanks guys.
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gt1000
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Registered: ‎09-23-2008
Message 2 of 15 (264 Views)

Re: Is it worth getting the Autocad Architecture??

11-18-2008 11:36 AM in reply to: LeaAllenDesign
Yes it is worth it. I don't see how anyone would choose to do arch plans using plain ACAD, when you have the ADT/Architecture option. It will save you lots of time and money.



You might look at Revit as well. Either of these programs will be faster and better than plain ACAD.
*Nathan
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Re: Is it worth getting the Autocad Architecture??

11-18-2008 12:58 PM in reply to: LeaAllenDesign

I believe you can buy lite anywhere so you possibly
don't know a reseller.

Autocad Arch and Revit are only avail thru the
reseller channel

Post what area (country) you are in and maybe
someone can recommend a good (sic) reseller in your area.

Your reseller would more than likely recommend
Revit but both can do the job and Arch will be a little cheaper.

Both will take a serious learning curve and some
investment in training.


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I
am currently working with AutoCAD Lt and heard that the Cad Arch is easier
with construction docs and things in general with this field. Is it true??
Please help! Also- does anyone know if I can upgrade from 08lt to Cad 09
arch?? Is that possible? Thanks guys.
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jmcintyre
Posts: 647
Registered: ‎09-24-2008
Message 4 of 15 (264 Views)

Re: Is it worth getting the Autocad Architecture??

11-18-2008 01:51 PM in reply to: LeaAllenDesign
Using ADT is a huge productivity gain, but there is a steep learning curve. Try downloading the 30 day trial and have a look.
*Dean Saadallah
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Re: Is it worth getting the Autocad Architecture??

11-18-2008 02:22 PM in reply to: LeaAllenDesign
Contact an Autodesk reseller in your area and inquire about pricing and if
there are any specials in your region to get you into ACA from LT (there
have been lately but I think they all expired).

--
Dean Saadallah
http://LTisACAD.blogspot.com
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JayMoore
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Registered: ‎09-10-2007
Message 6 of 15 (264 Views)

Re: Is it worth getting the Autocad Architecture??

11-18-2008 09:25 PM in reply to: LeaAllenDesign
Absolutely ACA is a platform you should look at investing into. The benefits to you are getting the opportunity to simply leverage your existing knowledge of AutoCAD upwards to full AutoCAD and AutoCAD Architecture vs. having to learn an entirely new platform. Because you already know the basics of AutoCAD you know the core design skills of ACA. Then ontop of that you get to begin leveraging the object intelligence of a BIM platform. Remember, BIM is not software it is a process. Which means the more programs and industries you can connect your intelligent data with the greater opportunity you have to expand your organizations competitive advantage above and beyond the "norm" of 2D lines, arcs and circles.

You can indeed upgrade from ACAD LT to ACA but much of the pricing and opportunity depends upon how far back you are for the most current release of ACAD/ACA. The further back you are the more the cost, the closer the less. You know how it goes. As Dean said you will need to contact you reseller. Economic conditions are tough for all so "barter" for a price that you can afford but gets you to a more current version of Autodesk software.

One option I recommend you look into is the AutoCAD Revit Architecture Suite 2009.1 platform. This opportunity affords you the latest release of AutoCAD, AutoCAD Architecture and Revit Architecture. This will allow you to totally avoid the "heated" debates between ACA and Revit. It not only allows you the best of ACA and Revit but also brings the foundation of AutoCAD to your doorstep.

Then regardless of what Autodesk does with AutoCAD, ACA or Revit you are well positioned to take advantage of any future changes to any of these platforms.

Happy hunting and never trust a salesperson (for the record I am one), take their advice but in the end trust your own review and at the end of the day select the option that best fits your needs today and in the near future.

Cheers,
Jay
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cadman009
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Registered: ‎12-17-2003
Message 7 of 15 (264 Views)

Re: Is it worth getting the Autocad Architecture??

11-19-2008 06:05 AM in reply to: LeaAllenDesign
We just started using ACA back in April and wish we would've looked harder at Revit. From everything I hear and have seen Revit appears to be the much stronger of the two programs. The features of ACA are a little easier to grasp for AutoCAD users, but in the long run I think you may get a lot more productivity from Revit. We're considering switching, but need to look into it more before making the leap. Just take a close look at both programs before making your decision. It helped me a lot to look at what's being said over on the Revit forum by users who have tried both.
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JayMoore
Posts: 159
Registered: ‎09-10-2007
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Re: Is it worth getting the Autocad Architecture??

11-19-2008 09:17 PM in reply to: LeaAllenDesign
"Hear and Seen"...that would be mistake #1 in making a decision. You have no idea who anybody is in these groups and its best to assume the guy touting one solution is a saleperson or somebody that would make a buck off you picking the product they are promoting. "Tried and Tested"...now that is your path to true enlightnment. And don't just do the minimum and draw a simple little structure, see a model rotate it around go whooooo and think you are in the Garden of Eden.

Run any platform you are testing through its full paces. Last time I looked nobody builds a structure from a 3D model. The 2D construction docs are still (and will be for many years) the bread and butter of building. So get a nice model to play with but see it through and find out if it can finish the race for you or not. Can you get eveything you need to build that structure (Model, Framing, BOM, Graphics, Const Docs, etc.) in a timely and efficient manner? If not or if you don't know then you better assume that what you hear and see in groups might be a simple case of fanning the flames of hype. You alone are the only and best judge of what program best fits your needs. These groups are good for "side-item-discusions" and to provoke thought but do your homework all the way through before you jump to any conclusions.

Thanks,
Jay
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cadman009
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Message 9 of 15 (264 Views)

Re: Is it worth getting the Autocad Architecture??

11-21-2008 07:17 AM in reply to: LeaAllenDesign
Have you tried and tested both Revit and ACA? I'm anxious to hear from anyone about the strengths and weaknesses of either. Like I said I'm not convinced one way or another. One thing I know is that ACA is much harder to use than I was hoping it would be. We're getting our floor plans to work ok, but we're still learning the ropes on most of the other functions which I would have hoped would be basic and much easier to implement. For instance putting views on a sheet so that they link through the project navigator takes a really long time on my computer. So far I haven't seen that it's worth the pain. Every view I try to drag into a sheet causes the computer to pause and think for minutes at a time. Because of that I'm still just xref'ing and labeling my views manually. Not sure how Revit compares. I guess I'm not as cynical as you. I don't necessarily think the majority of posters favorable to Revit are undercover salesmen. How much more money are they really going to make by putting down one Autodesk product and touting another? You'd think they might want to sell as much as they can of both. I am however not jumping to any conclusions about Revit until I've had a chance to try it. One of the members of our team is planning to take a Revit class for her own personal benefit. I've decided to wait till she takes the class and gets a chance to evaluate it very thoroughly before taking any other steps toward a switch.
*Tom DeMita
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Re: Is it worth getting the Autocad Architecture??

11-21-2008 08:16 AM in reply to: LeaAllenDesign
My reseller pushes Revit. They don't even know how to use ACA. I have a
subscription to Revit MEP which comes with Acad Mep and ACA. While going to
their Revit training I realized how much faster ACA is at drawing details,
at least ten times faster. Also at adding mutins to doors & windows, at
least ten times faster. When I make changes to the model in 3D realistic
view with clients, it looks realistic, unlike Revit which looks like a
plastic model unless you render it. I also add details in elevations in 2D
for clients to approve that I don't want to model until approval, that is
also faster in ACA. I also have my engineer give me excel files that are
linked when inserted. I can draw a 3D model of a house in a few minutes
with ACA as well as with Revit so any advantage for production is a mute
point.

Below are other issues.
1. The door number can match the room number automatically.
2. Creation of muntin and mullion patterns is easier in windows and doors
3. The section/elevation object allows for a gradation of line weights as
you
get farther from the cut line
4. Wall type assemblies allow for elements to have a bottom and top height,
making the stacking of components in a wall relatively easy. In Revit this
process is a little convoluted as it requires the making of sweeps, etc.


"cadman009" wrote in message news:6077155@discussion.autodesk.com...
Have you tried and tested both Revit and ACA? I'm anxious to hear from
anyone about the strengths and weaknesses of either. Like I said I'm not
convinced one way or another. One thing I know is that ACA is much harder to
use than I was hoping it would be. We're getting our floor plans to work ok,
but we're still learning the ropes on most of the other functions which I
would have hoped would be basic and much easier to implement. For instance
putting views on a sheet so that they link through the project navigator
takes a really long time on my computer. So far I haven't seen that it's
worth the pain. Every view I try to drag into a sheet causes the computer to
pause and think for minutes at a time. Because of that I'm still just
xref'ing and labeling my views manually. Not sure how Revit compares. I
guess I'm not as cynical as you. I don't necessarily think the majority of
posters favorable to Revit are undercover salesmen. How much more money are
they really going to make by putting down one Autodesk product and touting
another? You'd think they might want to sell as much as they can of both. I
am however not jumping to any conclusions about Revit until I've had a
chance to try it. One of the members of our team is planning to take a Revit
class for her own personal benefit. I've decided to wait till she takes the
class and gets a chance to evaluate it very thoroughly before taking any
other steps toward a switch.
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