Defect markers showing in sheet viewport

[timandjo]

I get very peculiar wall defects showing in viewports with defect markers and bits of wall lines missing or displaying incorrectly. The views dsplay OK and the is nothing wrong with the constructs. Screen shot with view showing correct and viewport displying incorrectly attached. I reconstructed the whole project after vewports displayed so many defects they were unreadable - all object styles replaced, completely fresh project structure from template, reconstructed the elevations from new composite model. When I dragged the new plan views in it seemed OK. Then started to go awry when elevation views dragged in. and seems to worsen with further added detail.

Never had this problem with other projects.

[aghis_no]

The problem occurs when you insert more than one "plan views" of different levels on the same sheet drawing.

This happens because when you create a "view drawing" for the plan of a level, ACA inserts the constructs of that level at 0,0,0 point of the "view drawing". So when you drag the "view drawing" on a "sheet drawing" the constructs will also be at 0,0,0.

Now, If you have more than one plan views of different levels "dragged" on the same "sheet drawing" they are all going to be inserted at 0,0,0 overlapping each other and causing walls on constructs of different levels to cleanup themselves. This is going to produce many defect warnings as you may have walls that overlap.

This is a far as multiple "plans views" on the same sheet are concerned and there is a simple workaround: When you finish dragging your "plan views" on the sheet (and you get the errors), you switch from "paper space" to "model space" of the sheet drawing and manually move the levels so that they do not overlap. This is easy because each "view drawing" is inserted as an xref on the "sheet drawing" so with just one click you can for example move each xref 100m on the "y" direction avoiding the overlapping. You may have this problem very often during competitions when you will need to have all of the plans of a building on the same sheet (to plot the competition panels).

However, you should not have the same problem when you just have one "plan view" and one or more "section/elevation views" on the same sheet. If this is the case then you probably have something wrong, so just check the following: When you create a "view drawing", you right click on desired folder and you have a choice between "general view", "section/elevation view" and "detail view". There is one important difference between these choices:

The "General view" is meant for "plan views" and "3D representations", "axonometric views" etc., this will cause ACA to insert all of the concerned constructs as "attached xrefs" in the current "view drawing". So the constructs will travel along with the "view drawing" to the "sheet drawing" that the "plan view" or "3D view" will be inserted in.

The "section/elevation view" as well as the "detail view" are meant for the creation of "2D sections", "elevations" and "Details" derived from the model. In that case ACA will insert all of the concerned constructs as "overlaid xrefs" in the current "view drawing". The constructs will be only used to create the 2D section or elevation but they are not going to travel with the view drawing on to the sheet drawing that the view will be inserted… That way there is no possible overlapping of the constructs on the "sheet drawing"…

So, probably you have created your section or elevation views choosing "general view" causing the constructs of the different levels to travel up to the sheet and of course to be overlapped with the plan view constructs.

Hope this helps

Regards

aghis  

[timandjo]

Yep that seems to work and thanks for the workaround. Shifted the first level x=50000 and stretched the VP by x=1000. Re done the elevs as elevs (yes I did previously always set the elevs view as general because it seemed to work OK).

So whats happening - have been using this method   since 2004 ADT 2004 or 05) setting up 2 or three levels and then dragging corresponding views in and dragging views from a composite model. Its never happened before. The views all drag the xref in and when inspected in modelspace its there are the models all inserted at 0,0,0 and and not lifted in z to their corrsponding level. Yet they, with the exception of the problem one I have posted dsiplay correctly with no defect markers.  Theres something missing here!

[David_W_Koch]

Perhaps in earlier versions your Wall Cleanup Group Definition was set up to disallow cleanup between external references?

[timandjo]

In current drawings its set to allowed

[aghis_no]

There are two main cases you will want to keep allowing the cleanup between xref:

1. You are going to use two different constructs per level, one for the interior walls and one for the exterior walls and you wish that the walls in the different constructs cleanup with each other.

2. You have "elements" containing walls inserted in you constructs and you wish to have their walls cleaned up with the ones in the host drawing, for example you have an element for repeating hotel or hospital rooms.

On the other hand if you are sure you can keep all the walls of one level in just one construct you can revert the default setting and not allow the cleanup between xrefs.

regards

aghis