Autodesk Disables 2009 Command after using 2010

[mike]

We have installed our upgrade to 2010 on one machine in our office (on subscription) and we have found that after files have been opened in 2010 and saved , then later and opened in 2009, Autodesk has made certain commands unuseable. We were informed by our reseller yesterday that Autodesk told them they have done this purposefully to force people to upgrade all their machines. We have upgrades for all our machines, the fact that we have no done a full implementation of using the 2010 software at this time is a choice we made.

Try this for yourselves...

Open a new drawing in 2009. Try the "OBJECTDISPLAY" command. Save the drawing.
Open Same drawing in 2010. Try the "OBJECTDISPLAY" comman again. Save and close.
Open it in 2009 Again. Try the same command again. It no longer works.

Needless to say when our reseller called us back and informed us the reason it no longer works we were shocked!

[Anonymous]

>>>...the drawing I was working on had no AEC objects...<<<
Your posted screenshots would indicate otherwise.

You are still ranting about a known fact: we all made the same mistake, mine
was with the ADT2004 upgrade. Learn from it, move on.

You've been given ways to deal with the issue by many here, stop this finger
pointing blame game: Autodesk is not after you personally, it's how file
formats are done, and your reseller is equally to blame for being clueless
and not guiding you better. That's the first thing my reseller pointed out
for us with 2010, and repeated on product delivery, and repeated again when
he followed up after the sale. My reseller gets it.

Move on: your files have been upgraded to 2010, there is no going back to
2009 ever with those files. EVER. That's a Lifetime sentence.

Happy cadding.

--
Dean Saadallah
http://LTisACAD.blogspot.com
--

[Anonymous]

If your files has no AEC objects, just export then to ACAD (file >
Export )... they will look the same, all the AEC libraryes will be deleted
and all the comand's realted with ACA will work again.

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> Saadallah
>
> Caught with my pants down and own up to it?
>
> For your benefit, the drawing I was working on had no AEC objects it in.
> My tests were done in drawings containing lines only. They were all saved
> as 2007 format in both Arch2009 and Arch2010. As such, no warning error
> appears when opening them back and forth. Your being pretty presumptuous
> making statements about myself or my reseller
>
> End of Story!

[Anonymous]

Mike,
Sorry if we're not being very sympathetic but EVERY time you open an earlier
format drawing you should get the warning dialog (unless you manually turned
it off) indicating that you should NOT SAVE the drawing if you want to
maintain compatibility with earlier versions.

If you turned the warning dialog off, turn it back on. If you are not
willing to commit to upgrading, don't open the drawing in the more recent
release - end of story.

I for one am very glad that Autodesk makes changes to their file formats
because that is the only way some improvements are made. I also cannot
believe the ignorance of your reseller.


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Saadallah

Caught with my pants down and own up to it?

For your benefit, the drawing I was working on had no AEC objects it in. My
tests were done in drawings containing lines only. They were all saved as
2007 format in both Arch2009 and Arch2010. As such, no warning error appears
when opening them back and forth. Your being pretty presumptuous making
statements about myself or my reseller

End of Story!

[Anonymous]

did you see the official letter from Autodesk on the Autodesk letter head,
the official email from Autodesk to your reseller or did your reseller just
tell you by word of mouth that is what they told him?

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Bill

The whole purpose I wrote this here was because Autodesk gave the answer
that the command was made unuseable to force users to upgrade. The answer
came from Autodesk, and if I was not given it I would not be posting all
this here in the first place. I was told that the commands are made to ceast
to function if at any time the drawing is opened in 2010.

I completely realize that certain functionality my be lost as a product
progresses technology wise. To render a command that simply allows me to
change the basic properties of a line useless between releases is another
story all together.

AutoCAD Architecture 2009 has the OBJECTDISPLAY command. See attached jpg
of a screen shot of its dialouge box
AutoCAD Architecture 2010 has the OBJECTDISPLAY command. See attached jpg
of a screen shot of its dialouge box

They BOTH operate the SAME WAY.

They BOTH accomplish the same task.

I can work on a drawing in 2009 and it works.

I can work on a drawing in 2010 that was made in 2009 and it works!

I cannot reopen said drawing and use it in 2009 again, because it was made
unusable.
This is not about multiview blocks, intelligent obejects etc.

Try this exercise

1. Open Architecture 2009
2. Draw 1 line
3. Type "OBJECTDISPLAY" (notice the dialouge box that opens for changing
some of the line properties) (See attached jpg OBJECTDISPLAY-2009.jpg)
4. Save the drawing.
5. Open the saved drawing in Architecture 2010.
6. Type "OBJECTDISPLAY" (notice the dialouge box that opens for changing
some of the line properties) (See attached jpg OBJECTDISPLAY-2010.jpg)
7. Save and close the drawing.
8. Open the drawing in Architecture 2009 again. (Note, there is not a single
proxy etc. warning given, because all that is in the drawing is one line, no
blocks, nothing.)
9. Type "OBJECTDISPLAY" - The command no longer works! (See attached jpg
OBJECTDISPLAY-2009-Error.jpg)

For those that do not know, OBJECTDISPLAY is the former PROPERTIES command.
In the past, Autodesk expanded the items in the properties menu to allow you
to change more variables in the past. It retained the old command as
OBJECTDISPLAY. Now if I follow the thinking that others have put forward in
their replies on this forum, I should not be able to change the lines
properties from the properties command either, yet I can. So why is it that
OBJECTDISPLAY command can no longer change a lines properties, yet the
properties command still can? One command is just a shortened version of
available properties to change. I do not believe for one single second that
there is any different code written into the software that instructs a
single line to be changed say from the color white to the color blue whether
you are making the change from the PROPERTIES window or the OBJECTDISPLAY
dialouge box. The only difference is the way the interface looks. One lets
you choose alot of variables to change, the other allows much less, takes
less screen room, pops on and off the screen only when needed, and actually
is easier to navigate for those items listen in it. The OBJECTDISPLAY
command EXISTS in BOTH in 2009 and 2010. Unfortuantely 2010 was written so
that it disables the command from use in 2009 when a drawing is opened and
saved in 2010 and later opened in 2009.

This is not about proxy graphics, AEC objects, etc.

There is NO WARNING in any shape or form given when you open a drawing that
contains 1 solitary line drawn and then saved in 2009, then opened in 2010.

There is NO WARNING in any shape of form given when you open that resaved
drawing from 2010 and open it in 2009 again.

I will repeat once again to you Bill, I was told it was done to force users
to upgrade accross and entire organization. Maybe some companies decide to
buy only one copy of 2010 so that they do not have to upgrade the entire
enterprise at once. What better way to help encourage Companies to upgrade
than to make it a pain in the behind to work on any drawing that someone
worked on previously in 2010 if another person is still on 2009. Take all
these obscure handy little commands that people like and....well, make them
not work! I am not talking about complex commands such as the technology
that goes into making walls clean up like you discuss in your reply. I am
talking about rendering a simple, non complex, handy command that is
accessed through a shortened dialouge box. A shortened dialouge box that is
available in both the 2009 and 2010 version, yet is is suddenly rendered
useless.

Change happens, I accept that. The way software is written changes, I accept
that too.
I am on subscription, it is not like I am here to complain about having to
upgrade, or learn a new way to do things. What dissapoints me, is when I am
forced to do things that I really shouldnt have to, and in that way, I feel
sabatoged by Autodesk.

[Anonymous]

also you always have AEC objects in a dwg file, because you can not purge
out the STANDARD aec object styles. go check out the style manager and purge
everything.

When you open a earlier version in 2010, unless you check the box
..

See my previuos post to see the save as to previuos version dialog box.
Everyone gets the 2 dialog boxes unless you check the box to not show it!