ACAD Arch or Revit to work with 3DS MAX?

[Anonymous]

I need to create (re-create) accurate architectural geometry for the purpose of delivering to customers photo realistic 3D renderings of their house / kitchen / building / etc.

I was wondering if anyone here had experience in using such tools for design and visualization and could provide some insight on whether Revit or ACAD Architecture would be better for my needs?

I realize this is an Autocad forum and that folks could be bias but I am hoping for some honest feedback.

BTW: I don't need to document / deliver plans but I do need very accurate geometry.

[Anonymous]

Don´t think twice: use AutoCAD Architecture 2008.
Images created with Revit look very "plastic" and artificial.

Pedro Aroso


"Zolren" escreveu na mensagem news:5708730@discussion.autodesk.com...
I need to create (re-create) accurate architectural geometry for the purpose
of delivering to customers photo realistic 3D renderings of their house /
kitchen / building / etc.

I was wondering if anyone here had experience in using such tools for design
and visualization and could provide some insight on whether Revit or ACAD
Architecture would be better for my needs?

I realize this is an Autocad forum and that folks could be bias but I am
hoping for some honest feedback.

BTW: I don't need to document / deliver plans but I do need very accurate
geometry.

[Anonymous]

I want to use 3D Studio Max for the rendering with Mental Ray but I am not certain about using AutoCAD or Revit to create the Architectural geometry.

[Anonymous]

Both are good get trial copies and decide for your self. You will hear pro's
and con's on both


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I want to use 3D Studio Max for the rendering with Mental Ray but I am not
certain about using AutoCAD or Revit to create the Architectural geometry.

[Anonymous]

The answer is: either or neither. I'm not trying to be coy, but Both will
create accurate 3D geometry that can be brought into 3DMax. If you aren't
going to be creating plans at all - why use either, or any BIM cadd at all?
You can model entirely in Max and use whatever rendering engine; MRay, Vray,
Maxwell, etc.. Most of the better Max modelers will tell you they'd prefer
it all modeled in Max objects and modifiers, or started from simple 2d Acad
plan linework brought into Max. Especially where animation is concerned.

You know that the internal rendering engine to std Acad and ACA is a subset
version of MRay, with similar principals. If this is your first venture into
rendering, prepare to spend quite sometime in learning to just get up to
speed.

Your stated need "for very accurate geometry", is that for court room legal
representation, or just client request? The only reason I ask is, that I've
heard similar lines like that before. When it comes down to the "brass
tacks" of reviewing the near final renderings - well they usually want it
(yesterday) and both to look fantastic and feel "big" - when it comes to
interior room shots. So if even if you've painstakingly made it accurate -
that may not be what they really want, or are looking for. Some call it
artistic license.
I'll quit babbling now.
Good luck.
--
Kevin Anderson
www.KAddAssociates.com

[kochcad]

why Max? how about just using Adesk Viz? if not needing const. docs. etc. then you should be able to do what you need just fine in Viz. - Terry

[Anonymous]

AutoCAD Architecture is a 2D productivity tool built on AutoCAD. Yes, it
can do 3D, but it excels at speeding up 2D documentation for architectects.

Revit is 3D BIM software. It's purpose built for 3D and building
information modeling, and is very efficient at creating 3D models, and also
at documenting them.

Here's an image, modeled in Revit, rendered in Max, that is neither
"plastic" nor "artificial". In fact, I think it looks quite real.


"Pedro Aroso" wrote in message
news:5708743@discussion.autodesk.com...
Don´t think twice: use AutoCAD Architecture 2008.
Images created with Revit look very "plastic" and artificial.

Pedro Aroso


"Zolren" escreveu na mensagem news:5708730@discussion.autodesk.com...
I need to create (re-create) accurate architectural geometry for the purpose
of delivering to customers photo realistic 3D renderings of their house /
kitchen / building / etc.

I was wondering if anyone here had experience in using such tools for design
and visualization and could provide some insight on whether Revit or ACAD
Architecture would be better for my needs?

I realize this is an Autocad forum and that folks could be bias but I am
hoping for some honest feedback.

BTW: I don't need to document / deliver plans but I do need very accurate
geometry.

[Anonymous]

Terry, You are absolutly right and I did not mean to slight Viz, but
certainly one could do everything the OP asked about Max &ACA/Revit,
entirely inside of Viz also. Maybe he already has access to Max and not Viz.
--
Kevin Anderson
www.KAddAssociates.com

[Anonymous]

I have been doing 3D modeling with ACA and ADT for 7 years. I find it very
efficient in 3D and it comes with a great built in renderer. I can draw a
complete permit set of drawings in 24 hours including all of the structural
and HVAC plans in 3D model and CDs. You can call Revit BIM but if all of
your consultants don't use it you insert a 2D cad file and call that BIM
then you can call a 2D AutoCAD drawing BIM as well.

"Scott Davis" wrote in message
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AutoCAD Architecture is a 2D productivity tool built on AutoCAD. Yes, it
can do 3D, but it excels at speeding up 2D documentation for architectects.

Revit is 3D BIM software. It's purpose built for 3D and building
information modeling, and is very efficient at creating 3D models, and also
at documenting them.

[Anonymous]

And with Revit you need to spend $15,000 to buy 3 programs because Autodesk
refuses to give you all of the features in one.
I have AutoCAD MEP which does it all.

[yiannisvar]

I agree with Kevin on 3DS Max. I am a big supporter and user of ACA but If you only need the 3d model and not any documentation for legal purposes why go through the trouble to learn an additional complex program to output what you need. Keep it simple (as simple as 3DS Max can be !!!!!!!) by using one program.

[hsannis]

ACA 2008 and link it to VIZ or MAX. I have used ADT, ACA and Revit and find ACA to be the best of them all. It is flat out easier to create most architectural objects in ACA. I also don't buy into the learn to model in MAX or VIZ theory because i ist much easier to model in ACA where the AEC objects are easier to build and customize and the 3D solids have gotten much better. I only use VIZ to render and it has gotten to the point now that the rendering portion is much easier to set up.

[Anonymous]

Thank you all for the feedback.

I am currently using the trial version of ACAD Architecture 2008 and it is much easier to use for my purpose then the normal ACAD.

I will give Revit an additional try. It seemed easy at first but as soon as I got into creating a spiral stair case, it felt like it was lacking some flexibility.

In terms of accuracy, I don't need this for court type recreations. My intended use is for design visualizations of new houses, kitchen remodels and buildings. I do realize that "if it looks real then it must be real" or in this case deemed accurate enough but I just hate creating a complex model and then ending up a few inches long or short in some area or corner.

In terms of Viz, it looks like a great tool but although I won't be using all the features of 3DS MAX (character animation and all), Viz still seems like a subset of Max.

Once again, thanks for the feedback thus far 🙂

[Anonymous]

You had to render it in MAX, other wise Revit alone looks plastic. ACA2008
looks good right away.



"Scott Davis" wrote in message
news:5709165@discussion.autodesk.com...
AutoCAD Architecture is a 2D productivity tool built on AutoCAD. Yes, it
can do 3D, but it excels at speeding up 2D documentation for architectects.

Revit is 3D BIM software. It's purpose built for 3D and building
information modeling, and is very efficient at creating 3D models, and also
at documenting them.

Here's an image, modeled in Revit, rendered in Max, that is neither
"plastic" nor "artificial". In fact, I think it looks quite real.


"Pedro Aroso" x.pt> wrote in message
news:5708743@discussion.autodesk.com...
Don´t think twice: use AutoCAD Architecture 2008.
Images created with Revit look very "plastic" and artificial.

Pedro Aroso


"Zolren" escreveu na mensagem news:5708730@discussion.autodesk.com...
I need to create (re-create) accurate architectural geometry for the purpose
of delivering to customers photo realistic 3D renderings of their house /
kitchen / building / etc.

I was wondering if anyone here had experience in
using such tools for design
and visualization and could provide some insight on whether Revit or ACAD
Architecture would be better for my needs?

I realize this is an Autocad forum and that folks could be bias but I am
hoping for some honest feedback.

BTW: I don't need to document / deliver plans but I do need very accurate
geometry.

[epinkel]

I was at Autodesk U this year and saw a pretty cool Revit to Max Product called Power Translator. Here is a link to the demo movie.

http://www.integrityware.com/eee/02_Revit_To_Max_demo_3/02_Revit_To_Max_demo_3.html