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DonScribner
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Solid Modeling enhancements

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08-15-2014 10:43 AM

Does anybody know of a third party delevoped suite of modeling lisps or other program, that enhances solid modeling?  Specifically extruding to surface, drilling, notching, mitering and the like.  I am NOT looking for paramatric software (Inventor, SolidWorks, etc).  I work with SW and have extensive training in Inventor. I have several years of experience with Mexchanical Desktop and 5 years of ProSteel. I am well aware of the arguments for parametrics.  In my line of work, speed and flexibility are far more improtant than designing relations into a model that will never be used again. Trust me, paramatics is a detiment in my line of work.  I am looking for something with some of the modeling features of ProSteel but not all the programmed connections for standard shapes. Just the modeling functionality. If I seem like I have an attitude, I do.  I used to model million dollar projects (with ProSteel) in the time that it takes to do one that is 1/20 the size using SolidWorks. Inventor would give similar results. My models are one-ups and will NEVER be reused. SW and Inventor are fine for our standard products but not the highly custom ones.

 

 

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dgorsman
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Re: Solid Modeling enhancements

08-15-2014 11:28 AM in reply to: DonScribner

As you note is *is* possible, at least to a degree, but the effort required is enough that you only see it for very specific tasks like structural work (ProSteel), piping design (CADWorx Plant, AutoPLANT, AutoCAD Plant3D), or building design (Autocad Architectural, AutoCAD MEP) which have very well defined objects to model and manipulate.  More generic modeling requires developing a set of ground rules which are already found in - you guessed it - Inventor and other parametric software.

 

I suspect to get what you are looking for will require consulting with a developer to handle your specific requirements.

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Re: Solid Modeling enhancements

08-26-2014 04:28 AM in reply to: dgorsman

I don't disagree but I was hoping that somebody had a suite out there to help out modeling for framing without the parametrics.  How hard could it be to get a sold to slice on a surface that you select?  There was a program, Power 3D I think, that did much of the solids manipulation that AutoDesk has integrated now.  They probably bought the code or something. I am still hoping for something like that.  Again, I am well aware of the benetfits of parametrics but in this case, they are a severe detriment to productivity. 

 

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JDMather
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Re: Solid Modeling enhancements

08-26-2014 04:56 AM in reply to: DonScribner

DonScribner wrote:

....My models are one-ups and will NEVER be reused. SW and Inventor are fine for our standard products but not the highly custom ones. 


Can you post one of these "highly custom" designs?

My opinion is that Inventor or SolidWorks are great for "highly custom" projects that will never be reused.

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Re: Solid Modeling enhancements

08-26-2014 05:00 AM in reply to: DonScribner

 

Hello

 

+1 with JDMather >>> My opinion is that Inventor or SolidWorks are great for "highly custom" projects that will never be reused. <<<

 

<Humour ON>

And if Inventor or SolidWorks are not enough you can switch to Catia !? ... But the price is "a little bit" higher !!

<Humour OFF>

 

 

 

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Re: Solid Modeling enhancements

08-26-2014 09:36 AM in reply to: braudpat

After 28 years of AutoCAD and 18 years of solid modeling using 5 different packages, I'll have to disagree.  If our product was one that you had the time to massage for months to get every plane, every extrusion, every feature exactly right . . . maybe.  But I have three weeks to produce models and drawings for 300 parts, no 2 the same, no patterns and no time for messing around.  With Prosteel and AutoCAD, we would have a new person doing $100,000 projects in a couple of months.  With SW, the learning curve is about 3 years.  My opinion is not based on ignorance, but experience.

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Re: Solid Modeling enhancements

08-26-2014 09:37 AM in reply to: JDMather

There is no way to uupload something that big.

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dgorsman
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Re: Solid Modeling enhancements

08-26-2014 09:44 AM in reply to: DonScribner

A couple of screen shots or renders should be sufficient.

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Re: Solid Modeling enhancements

08-26-2014 10:35 AM in reply to: DonScribner

 

Hello from France

 

In France "big" corporations are using ACAD for "small/medium" 3D work ...

And most often SW / Inventor for "more serious" 3D work ! ... And if necessary Catia for HighEnd 3D Models !

---> Maybe in North America, it's different !?

 

I know that somebody with good and long experience in 3D with ACAD, can design some nice/big 3D Models !

For example in France one of the best 3D ACAD french user (named "Titi95") that I know does this :

http://cadxp.com/topic/39702-wip-street-car/

 

You can look on the site : http://grabcad.com/

and find many beautiful 3D Model build with ACAD and others 3D CAD Software ...

 

I am not a 3D specialist because my job is 80% in 2D & 20% in 3D BUT I am using CAD Software

and especially ACAD since R1.4/2.0 in 1984/1985 ...

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Solid Modeling enhancements

08-26-2014 10:50 AM in reply to: dgorsman
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