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How do you manage Ribbon Interface with 16:9 monitor

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04-23-2013 11:49 AM

Hello Everybody

Here in India we cannot afford giant size monitors. An average AEC firm would have a 23 inch monitor or 21 inches. Now almost all the monitors are 16:9. So already the height of the monitor is reduced when compared to the 4:3 monitor.
With the Ribbon Interface, the height of the drawing space becomes even less. Of course the ribbon can be minimized etc. but it is a nuisance revoking it and minimizing again. the 2008 version IMHO had a better interface with dashboards which occupied the vertical space on the right side. This way the height of the drawing space is not affected. It used to be a good interface - why change this into Ribbon mimicking MS Office for a CAD program?

I know that you could still have the Classic interface - but you lose the convenience of the ribbon. Frankly, I am a "command line only" person. But I would like to get used to the Ribbon also. Only at this point of time it started to irritate me the small height of the drawing space.

How do you people manage this? By very huge monitors? or may be you are using highly advanced models where you have a choice for a 4:3 format? I am struggling. I would like to use AutoCAD the way the rest of the world uses - though I am very fast in command line and know by heart most of the commands & shortcut keys. Sometimes i work in FullScreen mode.

Thanks in advance
PRSS

Thank you Steven-g. You do concurr with my thinking. So I think I should just get to know about ribbon interface - just to keep myself updated - and keep drawing as I have always been doing - full scree & command line.

 

With best regards

PRSS

I am over whelmed by your reply ! Thanks a lot !

With best regards
PRSS

The Ribbon is good for a number of things, especially in the vertical products where there are many seldom used commands which are context sensitive (Civil3D being a prime example).  Everything has its place - command line for frequently used, simple commands; Ribbon for context senstive, less frequently used tools.  Don't like how the Ribbon is organized?  Reorganize the panels, the tools, make your own panels and tools, hell - tear off the panels and use them as super-toolbars.

 

Consider is development resources as well.  Microsoft provides the Ribbon as a toolkit so AutoDesk is only responsible for the implementation.  Microsoft takes care of any and all updates, including compatibility with new OS releases.  If AutoDesk completely managed its own UI that would require a lot of resources to develop and troubleshoot - especially when OS updates happen.

 

Finally, the Ribbon UI is well positioned to take advantage of touch technology.  As mobile computing increases in popularity, the means of input will have to change.  That boils down to a chicken and egg - do you try to fit the square application into the round mobile hole, or do you try to reshape the application before the hole is made?

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Re: How do you manage Ribbon Interface with 16:9 monitor

04-23-2013 11:29 PM in reply to: PRSS

Wow I'm moving from Belgium  to India :smileyhappy: Only just been upgraded from 19" to 22". Most of my colleagues still have 19. But seriously I would go with turn off the ribbon, I'm a keyboard jockey with occasional use of the menu, the interface changes every so often, but my shortcuts are constant and any specialist commands are kept in collapsible toolpalettes. I wanted to keep my old 19" as a second monitor so I could also dump the toolpalettes and command line onto it. But that had to go to somebody new in the company.

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Re: How do you manage Ribbon Interface with 16:9 monitor

04-24-2013 12:25 AM in reply to: PRSS

You can use a compromise solution however to get both the ribbon functionality and more drawing area real estate.  Double click on any of the menu tabs (Home, Insert, Annotate, etc) and you'll begin to cycle thru the different types of ribbon displays (4 total).  You can also use the Minimize to Panel Buttons toggle on the far right of the menu line to see the different options.  In several of these configurations you can roll your mouse over the panel to expose the commands that are available.

 

This might be a workable solution while you learn your way around the ribbon interface.

 

Dave.

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Re: How do you manage Ribbon Interface with 16:9 monitor

04-24-2013 01:02 AM in reply to: heinsite

Thank you for the replies. The reason I put this tread was to know whether most of the AutoCAD users in the world are using this ribbon interface. I came across in an article in AUGI - link given by one of our members here in this forum - the article being "Evolve or Die" which amongst other things was stressing on the advantages of using this interface and that one has to evolve from the old ways of doing things.

 

This article made me think that I was becoming obsolete by not using this ribbon interface in spite of  having the latest version of AutoCAD - and still using either full screen mode or the classic mode and typing the commands like I used to do in AutoCAD Release 12.

 

Another curiosity was why AutoCAD should have or mimic the ribbon interface of MS Office - for any CAD, screen real estate - in height also - is important. For 16:9 monitor the dashboard seemed to suit well as it was on the right side in a vertical manner.

 

I know that one can move the docked ribbons to other places - but why default it to its present position - occupying the valuable vertical real estate space?

 

I was also wondering if the rest of the more affluent world used specialized 4:3 monitors - say 22 inches - to avoid losing the vertical real estate space.

 

Thanks in advance

PRSS

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Re: How do you manage Ribbon Interface with 16:9 monitor

04-24-2013 02:28 AM in reply to: PRSS

In the end we do want to be as efficient as we can be in AutoCAD.  And while the ribbon is nice and has improved I still find that typing commands on the command line (or right in the drawing window) is really the fastest way to get things done.

 

Dave.

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Re: How do you manage Ribbon Interface with 16:9 monitor

04-24-2013 03:48 AM in reply to: PRSS

I think that the development of the ribbon is aimed more at new users, and shifting towards a similar layout to office programs is again just to make it easier for new users to feel comfortable using the program. But I cannot imagine anyone thinking that going from keyboard entry back to menu or ribbon would do anything but slow you down. It's nice to have all the options, you just don't have to use them if you don't want.

Regards Steven Gray
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Re: How do you manage Ribbon Interface with 16:9 monitor

04-24-2013 05:25 AM in reply to: steven-g

Thank you Steven-g. You do concurr with my thinking. So I think I should just get to know about ribbon interface - just to keep myself updated - and keep drawing as I have always been doing - full scree & command line.

 

With best regards

PRSS

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Re: How do you manage Ribbon Interface with 16:9 monitor

04-24-2013 06:29 AM in reply to: PRSS

FYI  You can right-click on the ribbon, undock it from the top and redock it on the right or left. Not sure if that will help you at all.

 

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Re: How do you manage Ribbon Interface with 16:9 monitor

04-24-2013 06:29 AM in reply to: PRSS

Try collapsing the ribbon so that you still see the ribbon tabs and panel names. Then when you need to get to a panel, you simply hover over it to expand it.

~Greg

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Re: How do you manage Ribbon Interface with 16:9 monitor

04-24-2013 07:08 AM in reply to: greg.battin
I am over whelmed by your reply ! Thanks a lot !

With best regards
PRSS
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