AutoCAD 2013/2014/2015

AutoCAD 2013/2014/2015

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steve216586
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Re: Help is TERRIBLE

03-21-2013 09:32 AM in reply to: cnewton

My point:  I really don't think someone can perform their daily duties in a profession like design drafting, without formal specialized training and do it proficiently.  AutoCAD is a tool to achieve a design just as a hygenist would use a tool to clean teeth.  Without specialized training you are just grinding and the end result is un-polished.  I have worked side by side people who are "self-taught", "had a little CAD in high school" or went to a 6-9 month trade school.  Their skills were horrendous.  Of course not to them.

 

If a user depends on HELP other than to refresh a seldom used command or method or to research the manipulation of a variable for a certain instance, that user needs to seek formal specialized training.  HELP is what it is, help with the AutoCAD computer program not help with a technique or design process.  It is not a textbook or tutorial device.

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dgorsman
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Message 32 of 43 (258 Views)

Re: Help is TERRIBLE

03-21-2013 10:20 AM in reply to: steve216586

Deep breaths... in... out... that purple color is not a healthy shade, even in cyberspace  :smileyvery-happy:

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Jay_B
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Message 33 of 43 (212 Views)

Re: Help is TERRIBLE

03-26-2013 04:19 PM in reply to: dgorsman
2014 help is posted here.
http://docs.autodesk.com/ACD/2014/ENU/
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Message 34 of 43 (159 Views)

Re: Help is TERRIBLE

05-22-2013 10:51 AM in reply to: Jay_B

2014 help looks just as terrible as 2013 help.  A search for SDI command returns only 1 (non-helpful) hit instead of 4 (3 were web results...also non-helpful).  I get 10 non-web hits for MDI and it isn't even a command!

 

Sure the SDI command is old and probably is deprecated but as long as it still exists in the program it should also be included in the help!  I think we pay enough for this program to deserve way better.  Web based help with comments is a great idea but Autodesk needs to start with a complete database of commands.

 

 

James LeVieux

 

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drjohn
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Message 35 of 43 (140 Views)

Re: Help is TERRIBLE

05-23-2013 12:47 PM in reply to: steve216586

steve216586 wrote:
 Now I see why there are so many basic questions asked on these forums!!  

Sorry to be so blunt but... No I'm not sorry!  They are mostly elementary questions.  Very few times do the "real" CAD users post legitimate questions of a complex nature.

 



There are no stupid questions .... only stupid answers.  Which may, ironically, describe AutoCAD help.

 

Regards,

DJ

 

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tcorey
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Message 36 of 43 (123 Views)

Re: Help is TERRIBLE

05-23-2013 02:19 PM in reply to: Jeff10

Jeff10 wrote:

... but, the arguement for no longer providing manuals in hardcopy form was that electronic manuals would as good, or better.



And that printing manuals that are just going to sit on shelves is a waste of race horses...er, resources.

 

The electronic docs do get better in 2014 and I expect will continue to improve with each release.

 

I, too, like printed manuals. I remember sitting in bed with a highlighter and sticky notes in the mid-to-late eighties marking up my AutoCAD manuals. Can't do that anymore...

 

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rkmcswain
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Message 37 of 43 (82 Views)

Re: Help is TERRIBLE

11-05-2013 05:23 AM in reply to: Jeff10

Now is your chance to give Autodesk feedback on AutoCAD HELP.

 

 http://bit.ly/1fgHfiD

 

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pendean
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Registered: ‎11-06-2003
Message 38 of 43 (77 Views)

Re: Help is TERRIBLE

11-05-2013 05:32 AM in reply to: rkmcswain
... and sign up for the additional direct contact input at the end of that survey too (if you are serious about fixing HELP).

Fixes happen with user participation, not 'leave it to the other guy' type approach.
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JGerth
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Message 39 of 43 (73 Views)

Re: Help is TERRIBLE

11-05-2013 05:39 AM in reply to: rkmcswain

Thanks for posting RK.

 

The page on ranking three possible additions really should have had a 'none of the above',  because none of those options address any of the problems with help.  It gives the impression that the survey is designed to validate predetermined directions -- not fix things.

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pendean
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Re: Help is TERRIBLE

11-05-2013 05:49 AM in reply to: JGerth
>>>... survey is designed to validate predetermined...<<<
Aren't all surveys like that? I participate in enough that this does not look any different. That's why it's critical to participate, polls and surveys do nothing to advance much of anything.
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