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smayes
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Drafting in Paper Space

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08-26-2011 08:22 AM

We have 2 drafting departments in our company and 1 of the departments is saying that my department needs to do all our drawings in paper space and nothing in Model. They say model space is for 3D drawing only. How should I argue this? I have NEVER heard of only drawing in Paper space

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Patchy
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Re: Drafting in Paper Space

08-26-2011 08:26 AM in reply to: smayes

Obviously, the other department never use xref.

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smayes
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Re: Drafting in Paper Space

08-26-2011 08:31 AM in reply to: smayes

No xrefs are used at the company at all. Not my choice but Manager does not like xref's

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Patchy
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Re: Drafting in Paper Space

08-26-2011 08:32 AM in reply to: smayes

Put Xref aside, how do they use different scales per drawing without utilizing viewports?

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smayes
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Re: Drafting in Paper Space

08-26-2011 08:35 AM in reply to: Patchy

They use Solid works and Inventor. Very little 2d work on thier side. This is something they want to force on us for some reason and my Manager asked me to research it for better/more ideas on proving not to go this route. We also send alot of our drawings to vendors for CNC work and my understanding is paper space would not work for this.

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Patchy
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Re: Drafting in Paper Space

08-26-2011 08:44 AM in reply to: smayes

Tell the boss that some day when a vendor ask for 3d parts, autocad can not make 3d in paperspace to export out a format that would work with their CNC cutting machines.

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azrdgldr
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Re: Drafting in Paper Space

08-26-2011 08:55 AM in reply to: smayes

smayes, I have used both softwares and and it is 3D heavy.  You build 3D objects/parts and assemblies of parts with each software. 

 

I think that request is stupid, maybe the other department doesn't use cad and if they do, not properly.  I am pretty sure you know you can build 3D objects in AutoCAD.  And the viewports thru paperspace eases the pain of showing different sides of your object.  If you go to paperspace, you will probably have to draw each side of the object individually and nobody who wants productivity wants that.

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smayes
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Re: Drafting in Paper Space

08-26-2011 09:05 AM in reply to: azrdgldr

Thank you for the post. This is the type of confirmation I am looking for in not going this route.

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GOLEN
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Re: Drafting in Paper Space

08-26-2011 09:13 AM in reply to: smayes

I am a CNC programmer and use 3d exclusively. The main reason and the one that really matters is accuracy. You cannot effectively ensure assemblys work in 2d. My company makes furniture and store fixtures some of which are very complex. It would be impossible to make sure all the parts and joinery work in 2d. As far as it not working with CNC it depends on the post process program they are using. Some like routercim must be 3d for the program to create all the proper tool paths needed.

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Re: Drafting in Paper Space

08-29-2011 09:31 AM in reply to: smayes

OP, programs such as Solidworks and Inventor draw parts and assemblies in 3D first, and then derive the 2D drawing sheets from them. To those users it appears that the 2D sheets are in their notion of paperspace. I suspect it is similar to viewports looking at modelspace. They however have the benefit of separate file types for part, assembly, and drawing sheet, as well as being able to change the part right from the sheet and having it change the part file and assembly file too. I wonder if they perhaps never have used AutoCAD?

 

There's another post similar to this one, where management is insisting they draw exclusively in paperspace. For AutoCAD this is hogwash, because aside from 3D modeling, you draw in 2D in modelspace first and then derive the 3D from that. The 2 programs are the exact opposites of each other in their behavior. In AutoCAD, the purpose of paperspace is to arrange and annotate views of your modelspace model for plotting. In fact, it has been called Layout Tabs since 2000, as opposed to modelspace tiles and papertiles tiles. I'd have those guys ask the local reseller and local professors if they are correct lol...

If by some odd chance my nattering was useful -- that's great, glad to help. But if it actually solved your issue, then please mark my solution as accepted :smileyhappy:
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