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barbodon
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AutoCAD and Landscape design

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06-01-2009 06:12 AM
Hi,
I am a university student trying to do some research for an assignment - analysing and justifying the purchase of a CAD program for Landscape design. As far as I can see AutoCAD is the industry standard here in Australia. Can anyone confirm this for me? Looking at all the documantation on AutoCAD it is a little overwhelming for a novice.I have some basic questions.Q1. If I purchased AutoCAD 2010 would I need further add ons for the landscape industry e.g plantdata base, irrigation design tools, plant schedules etc.. ?Q2. Does AutoCAD have animation capabilities?Q3.Does AutoCAD have Digital terrain modelling.Q3. Can someone in the Landscape industry summarise why AutoCAD is the right product for this industry?
Sorry I know a lot of questions!

Thank you
*Nathan
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Re: AutoCAD and Landscape design

06-01-2009 09:33 AM in reply to: barbodon

No :-)

 

I think it's overkill for landscaping design but
you have two quite different parameters.

Basic plan presentation and animation (3D colour ?)
are at different ends of the capability spectrum.


  1. You can use blocks with data to create plans that
    can feedback (how many plants, sprinklers etc) but you would have to create
    them yourself.  Not too hard.  But you could create the same in
    IntelliCAD which is far cheaper (produces DWG drawings).

  2. Yes but you would need the ability to have 3d
    plants to animate.  There are solutions but they are both capable and
    expensive addons.

  3. Not at an OOTB level.  The new tools in 10
    may have some application but they are not terrain specific.  There are
    addon solutions that can give you terrain modelling.

There is a poster to this newgroup who does retic
design and he has created his own addon programs that automate some of the
design.  Sorry, can't remember who.  Check back and I will post his
website if I remember.

 

HTH's

Nathan



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Hi,
I am a university student trying to do some research for an assignment -
analysing and justifying the purchase of a CAD program for Landscape design.
As far as I can see AutoCAD is the industry standard here in Australia. Can
anyone confirm this for me? Looking at all the documantation on AutoCAD it is
a little overwhelming for a novice.I have some basic questions.Q1. If I
purchased AutoCAD 2010 would I need further add ons for the landscape industry
e.g plantdata base, irrigation design tools, plant schedules etc.. ?Q2. Does
AutoCAD have animation capabilities?Q3.Does AutoCAD have Digital terrain
modelling.Q3. Can someone in the Landscape industry summarise why AutoCAD is
the right product for this industry? Sorry I know a lot of questions! Thank
you
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davidm
Posts: 54
Registered: ‎05-22-2008
Message 3 of 9 (9,490 Views)

Re: AutoCAD and Landscape design

06-01-2009 10:41 AM in reply to: barbodon
Not sure about in Australia, but in most of the world, AutoCAD is the industry standard for all CAD applications. I have been using since 1986, strayed once or twice to "the cheaper" programs, but went right back to AutoCAD. For landscaping, many will tell you CAD is just not the right way to go at all, can't get that "hand drawn" feeling. Well, I have downloaded a demo of an add on for AutoCAD called Land FX and it is awesome, will speed up your work immensely. Has all the databases, symbols even has irrigation design. It's pricey but like everything you get what you pay for. For DTM modeling, I would suggest you buy Civil3D (from AutoDesk) instead of the bare bones AutoCAD and use Land FX as the add-on.
*Laurie
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Re: AutoCAD and Landscape design

06-01-2009 12:46 PM in reply to: barbodon
Hi barbodon,


If you are in the Melbourne area I would be happy to show you the range
of functionality available with AutoCAD, Civil 3D (which adds digital
Terrain Modelling and other features to the base AutoCAD) and some
Landscape customisation of AutoCAD.

You can email me

laurie
DOT
comerford
AT
westnet
DOT
com
DOT
au

Regards,


Laurie Comerford


barbodon wrote:
> Hi, I am a university student trying to do some research for an
> assignment - analysing and justifying the purchase of a CAD program for
> Landscape design. As far as I can see AutoCAD is the industry standard
> here in Australia. Can anyone confirm this for me? Looking at all the
> documantation on AutoCAD it is a little overwhelming for a novice.I have
> some basic questions.Q1. If I purchased AutoCAD 2010 would I need
> further add ons for the landscape industry e.g plantdata base,
> irrigation design tools, plant schedules etc.. ?Q2. Does AutoCAD have
> animation capabilities?Q3.Does AutoCAD have Digital terrain
> modelling.Q3. Can someone in the Landscape industry summarise why
> AutoCAD is the right product for this industry? Sorry I know a lot of
> questions! Thank you
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barbodon
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Re: AutoCAD and Landscape design

06-02-2009 06:07 AM in reply to: barbodon
Hi Laurie,

Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately I am not in VIC but NSW. I am interested in your thoughts on AutoCAD and Civil 3D.

Do you run both programs or just Civil?Have you tried any other CAD programs?From your experience with other professional colleages is it just too hard to not have AutoCAD when it comes to file exchange?So many reviews say AutoCAD has a huge learning curve, do you agree and is it worth it?Do you utilise AutoCAD or AutoCAD LT- ie does the landscape industry really need 3D?



Here's what I am thinking;

- that it is dependant on whether your have a large percentage of your work from colleages that use AutoCAD

- that it must also depend on the scale of work you are doing.e.g Backyard Landscape versus Large commercial landscape plans with many other professionals involved.



When you talk about Landscape cumstomisation- are you refering to developing your own graphic symbols and inputing your own plant databases etc...?I suppose what I am after is some reassurance that with the right manipulation AutoCAD is the right solution for Landscape design.Do you mind listing the type of add ons and Management Information Systems you have to compliment AutoCAD?

Sorry soooooo many questions...

Thanks again !!!!

:smileyhappy:

Barb














Edited by: barbodon on Jun 2, 2009 1:08 PM
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Re: AutoCAD and Landscape design

06-02-2009 06:11 AM in reply to: barbodon
Thanks David,
I will have a look at Civil and Land FX.
Just out of interest what design industry do you belong to?

Barb
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barbodon
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Re: AutoCAD and Landscape design

06-02-2009 06:22 AM in reply to: barbodon
Thanks Nathan,
Yes its all helping. I am starting to see out of the fog that is CAD. Can I ask are you an Architect in Australia?I noted your web page reference. Do you work with Landscapers and are they also using AutoCAD?
If not is it combersome to exchange files?

Thanks
Barb
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davidm
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Registered: ‎05-22-2008
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Re: AutoCAD and Landscape design

06-02-2009 06:57 AM in reply to: barbodon
I'm an architect in Michigan USA, but I cut my teeth in the civil realm of site development which often included landscape design (very generic commercial type). These days I leave the landscape design to the pro's unless it's very small. I just completed a drive-thru for a pharmacy and the city wanted a landscape plan for the curbed island so I did that one. About a year ago I did a small pocket park, that is where I came across LandFX, the demo was fully functional though it had a limited database, and I was completely impressed. I think it was in the $1600 USD range, out of my budget but I would think reasonable for someone who did only landscape design.
*Nathan
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Re: AutoCAD and Landscape design

06-02-2009 08:46 AM in reply to: barbodon

I am a design draftsman (the design Manager working
for a property development firm in Perth.

I'm happy to be contested by the other posters but
I would think Civil way over the top except for serious large scale projects
with big firms.  Civil is complicated and goes way over forming a hill
here, a path there (but I've never used it).  The landscapers I have worked
with a still using pencils, texta's and crayons!  These are hands on
people.

Maybe it depends on the scale of work, whether you
are just looking at design or also installation.

One Co we dealt with did use Acad but we are too
cheap and went another direction.

 

Before we started outourcing the design, I started
creating my own library with colour & pictorial coded plant symbols to scale
so I could read plans easier.  I can count them quickly as blocks using
lisp programing.  I use Architectural desktop which has additinional
scheduling tools which are also helpful.  But you could get most of the way
there with a much cheaper program that is autocad compatible.  AutoCAD lite
could be an option but some good tools are missing.

 

It's not cumbersome to exchange files.  I
export a dwg file which they import and draw what they need.  I don't need
the drawing back as I only need the print out.  I'm not going to be working
on their drawing.

 

To go the 3D route is a BIG step to get something
that's really worth looking at.  Most would be happy with 'entourage' to
make the building look good but if you are actually designing the landscape then
the entourage needs to be accurate which introduces lots of issues.


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Thanks
Nathan, Yes its all helping. I am starting to see out of the fog that is CAD.
Can I ask are you an Architect in Australia?I noted your web page reference.
Do you work with Landscapers and are they also using AutoCAD? If not is it
combersome to exchange files? Thanks Barb
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