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Finding Old Versions of AutoCAD

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08-21-2002 01:44 AM
I was wondering if someone could help me find old versions of AutoCAD (R12 and earlier).

Basically, I'm trying to find an easy way to bring in old drawings that I have. I'd also like to have the older versions for archival and research (I'm a DOS program junkie, basically).

Can anyone help? -- Corwin
*Hurley, Shaan
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Re: Finding Old Versions of AutoCAD

08-21-2002 01:55 AM in reply to: Corwin_H
AutoCAD will open drawings created back to version 2.x just.
http://betaprograms.autodesk.com/history/area51.htm

Sincerely,

Shaan Hurley
Platform Technologies Group
Autodesk, Inc.

"Corwin_H" wrote in message
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I was wondering if someone could help me find old versions of AutoCAD (R12
and earlier).
Basically, I'm trying to find an easy way to bring in old drawings that I
have. I'd also like to have the older versions for archival and research
(I'm a DOS program junkie, basically).
Can anyone help? -- Corwin

Re: Finding Old Versions of AutoCAD

08-21-2002 02:09 AM in reply to: Corwin_H
On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:44:06 -0700, Corwin_H
wrote:

>I was wondering if someone could help me find old versions of AutoCAD (R12 and earlier).

Basically, I'm trying to find an easy way to bring in old drawings that I have. I'd also like to have the older versions for archival and research (I'm a DOS program junkie, basically).

Can anyone help? -- Corwin

I am considering "upgrading" to an older version myself. My
understanding is that you can only purchase an older version from an
individual. It won't be upgradable, but even so, I wish there were a
way to make sure I was buying a legitimate license.

I recently compared opening a large file on LT version 2 and with my
current version. (both running on Win'98) The LTv2 was MUCH faster.

Since you mention being a DOS junkie... I wonder how ACAD Version 12
DOS 386 would run on a modern Pentium?

Joe Dunfee

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08-21-2002 03:28 AM in reply to: Corwin_H
No idea, but I recently dug my old DOS machine out of the closet and have been looking for R12 and earlier ever since. I have R14, 2000, and 2002, but I still would like to have some of the earlier versions.
*Saadallah, Dean
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08-21-2002 12:23 PM in reply to: Corwin_H
R12 or earlier? Win98? DOS? File opening speed seems to be your only
concern: that's fine if you spend all day hopping in and out of files, but
for most of us that is such a very small part of our time with a file. What
about productivity with new tools? Sharing files with others? Customization
and more? If you are 'scared' of new tools, that might explain your 'rosy'
view of older versions.

if you plan to just stop buying new PCs, by all means stop buying new
software too. But LT2? LT1? R10? R9? please. Get real.

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Dean Saadallah
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http://www.pendean.com/lt/links.htm
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"Joe" wrote in message
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> On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:44:06 -0700, Corwin_H
> wrote:
>
> >I was wondering if someone could help me find old versions of AutoCAD
(R12 and earlier).

Basically, I'm trying to find an easy way to bring in
old drawings that I have. I'd also like to have the older versions for
archival and research (I'm a DOS program junkie, basically).

Can anyone
help? -- Corwin
>
> I am considering "upgrading" to an older version myself. My
> understanding is that you can only purchase an older version from an
> individual. It won't be upgradable, but even so, I wish there were a
> way to make sure I was buying a legitimate license.
>
> I recently compared opening a large file on LT version 2 and with my
> current version. (both running on Win'98) The LTv2 was MUCH faster.
>
> Since you mention being a DOS junkie... I wonder how ACAD Version 12
> DOS 386 would run on a modern Pentium?
>
> Joe Dunfee

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08-21-2002 10:40 PM in reply to: Corwin_H
On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:23:26 -0700, "Dean Saadallah"
wrote:

>If you are 'scared' of new tools, that might explain your 'rosy'
>view of older versions.

After you get bitten a few times, you tend to get scared of the new
dog. If the new versions were so good, why would there need to be a
price difference between subscription and regular paid upgrades?

Joe Dunfee
*Harper, Chip
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Re: Finding Old Versions of AutoCAD

08-21-2002 10:59 PM in reply to: Corwin_H
I wanted to do the same, collect older versions of AutoCAD, even contacted
their legal department about it. Answer was "If I did not purchase it new,
then it was illegal for me to obtain it. The original purchaser had no
rights under the licensing agreement to redistribute "read sale" the
software. I wrote back I was interested in obtaining the software as a
"Collector", it was not for producing drawings, the answer was the same, it
was allowed under the licensing agreement. Finally gave up on the idea.

Re:

08-22-2002 02:02 AM in reply to: Corwin_H
On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:59:16 -0700, "Chip Harper"
wrote:

>I wanted to do the same, collect older versions of AutoCAD, even contacted
>their legal department about it. Answer was "If I did not purchase it new,
>then it was illegal for me to obtain it.

Some folks have said that software companies cannot prevent you from
selling your software, regardless of what the license says. There
have been some court rulings in favor of this "right to sell" as well.
However, nothing requires Autodesk to permit you to upgrade or in any
way acknowledge you as the new owner. But, since older versions
aren't supported or upgradable anyway, it doesn't really matter.

Our office recently upgraded to 2002 (from LT 97), and it is
starting to look like we need to abandon the upgrade. But, rather
than go back to LT '97, I would rather try 2000 to see if we can avoid
the problems we are having with 2002.

Since 2000 is discontinued by Autodesk, It seems the only way to do
this is to buy from a 3rd party who is no longer using that license of
AutoCAD... but I would be suspicious that the software was upgraded
and it is just the old copy, which they don't have the right to sell
unless they get rid of all versions related to that one license.

But, if Autodesk says ALL such purchases are illegal... then
obviously Autodesk is not going to help you verify the license. So, I
guess I won't worry about it.

Joe Dunfee
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12-15-2002 01:29 AM in reply to: Corwin_H
First Joe,
<< I am running R12 386 on Win98SE on a 1.2gz system inside windows. 4gb HD, 256mb ram and a 32mb graphics card. Runs great and printing is to a HP Deskjet 840C.

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Second, Chip <>

From Grant of License
You May Not:
3. distribute, rent, loan, lease, sell, sublicense, or otherwise transfer all or part of the Software, Documentation or any rights granted hereunder to any other person without the prior written consent of Autodesk.

Key word here is the "written consent of Autodesk". Now, to say that they will grant the consent, well anyones guess since they want to sell the most recent version, at a bigger price.
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12-15-2002 01:31 AM in reply to: Corwin_H
If you want to know about running R12 386 on a pentium see how I got "AutoCAD Release 12_c2 and Windows 98 SE" to run. I have put a lot of information on a web site http://1netsurferin.tripod.com/waynehelps/.
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