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AutoCADjunkie
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TRACKING COMMANDS

Management is wanting a way to track the time someone actually is working on drawings. Not when they open a file and close it, because any fool can open a file walk away and goof off. What is needed is a way to track the command selections. A way to track actual working time.

Can this be done and has anyone tried it?

TIA
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Message 2 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: AutoCADjunkie

Very interesting. Would be better to install cameras for that. Even if there is a way, it cannot express time "thinking" or designing, or plotting, or searching for drawings, etc. Would be pretty hard. Even if you were to record keystorkes, a mouse is used quit a lot. Even good draftsperson still "think". Very interesting tho I must say. "AutoCADjunkie" wrote in message news:31443749.1077214061994.JavaMail.jive@jiveforum2.autodesk.com... > Management is wanting a way to track the time someone actually is working on drawings. Not when they open a file and close it, because any fool can open a file walk away and goof off. What is needed is a way to track the command selections. A way to track actual working time. > > Can this be done and has anyone tried it? > > TIA
Message 3 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: AutoCADjunkie

Curious, do these drafters also need to communicate with engineers or outside agencies via email? If so, don't forget to track those keystrokes as well. Since that would be considered working and not actual drafting I wouldn't want to see anyone get caught in a loophole. Also, we can't forget about the phone. If anyone needs to actually talk to an engineer or outside agency you would want to record all conversations to make sure they didn't stray from business only. You should also consider pedometers so that if a drafter needs to take a check print to a superior it can be verified that they didn't take a little detour and goof off. You might also consider putting bells throughout the building that ring to tell everyone when their breaks begin and end. Sound outrageous? I've worked at various places that have done all of these things at one time or another. Tell management to cut back on the expensive hotels and meals during trips rather than looking for ways to drive morale straight into the trash can by accusing everyone of being a thief. Just another stupid way to try and cut back on expenses while making sure mahogany row gets their bonuses at year end. How about this: if you have a drafter that goofs off too much it should be pretty obvious by their output of work. If it is too low, fire them. Stepping down from soapbox now, Jeff
Message 4 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: AutoCADjunkie

He didn't mention key strokes. And there is a way to monitor actions...commands being issued. One thing you'll have to take into considerations, is as he mentioned, actual time "thinking" or "designing". For that you could setup a timelaps. before next command is issued. Sort of like a screen saver timer. You could have the utility monitor only certain commands, like "LINE" "PLINE" or entity creation or editing. A dialog would consist of an itemized list of possibilities, from actual command, editing, creation, etc. and a given laps time for actual function or execution. All this in a simple reactor call and written to a simple variable, file, log for the day. Just like a time keeper software for billable hours. Since "Time Keeper" is already a software, you'd have to call it something else, like "Productive Time Keeper" or "PTK". Not an impossible thing to create and or develope. It's just a matter of who whats to gamble with it. Most people don't actually work 40 or more hours a week, if any. The human mind is too complex to just do the same thing, without having time to daydream. -- Rudy@Cadentity.com AUTODESK Authorized Developer www.Cadentity.com MASi "John Crocco" wrote in message news:4034fdfc$1_1@newsprd01... > Very interesting. Would be better to install cameras for that. Even if > there is a way, it cannot express time "thinking" or designing, or plotting, > or searching for drawings, etc. Would be pretty hard. Even if you were to > record keystorkes, a mouse is used quit a lot. Even good draftsperson still > "think". > > Very interesting tho I must say. > > "AutoCADjunkie" wrote in message > news:31443749.1077214061994.JavaMail.jive@jiveforum2.autodesk.com... > > Management is wanting a way to track the time someone actually is working > on drawings. Not when they open a file and close it, because any fool can > open a file walk away and goof off. What is needed is a way to track the > command selections. A way to track actual working time. > > > > Can this be done and has anyone tried it? > > > > TIA > >
Message 5 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: AutoCADjunkie

The simplest seems to be a Log File. I use it to track what jobs I have worked on. Don "AutoCADjunkie" wrote in message news:31443749.1077214061994.JavaMail.jive@jiveforum2.autodesk.com... > Management is wanting a way to track the time someone actually is working on drawings. Not when they open a file and close it, because any fool can open a file walk away and goof off. What is needed is a way to track the command selections. A way to track actual working time. > > Can this be done and has anyone tried it? > > TIA --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004
Message 6 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: AutoCADjunkie

Why not go back to work rather than wasting valuable time trying to create an CAD SS POLICE?? "Don Butler" wrote in message news:4035114a_2@newsprd01... > The simplest seems to be a Log File. > > I use it to track what jobs I have worked on. > > Don > > > "AutoCADjunkie" wrote in message > news:31443749.1077214061994.JavaMail.jive@jiveforum2.autodesk.com... > > Management is wanting a way to track the time someone actually is working > on drawings. Not when they open a file and close it, because any fool can > open a file walk away and goof off. What is needed is a way to track the > command selections. A way to track actual working time. > > > > Can this be done and has anyone tried it? > > > > TIA > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 > >
Message 7 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: AutoCADjunkie

If you had your own office, and would like to know how your time is being spent, you'd ponder to think that someone working for you is not doing this job. What it comes down to is profit. If you've been in the business long enough you'd know how long it would take to produce a set of drawings. Based on that, you'd prepare your billable hours, and deduct the amount you'd like to put a side for profitable income. With that said, if you had someone employed, give him his budgeted hours to get the job done, or contract someone to do the job for that amount, and perhaps put in a percentage. If the project were to go over the budgeted hours, you'd know that something is wrong and perhaps even find out that you under budgeted the project. If you really want to control the hours, then consider full-automation for actually producing a project. Belonging to this newgroup you could learn several methods to reduce the amount of time need to produce your set of drawings. I'm a strong believer in automation, but for that you need imagination. -- Rudy@Cadentity.com AUTODESK Authorized Developer www.Cadentity.com MASi "Odie Silva" wrote in message news:4035152e_3@newsprd01... > Why not go back to work rather than wasting valuable time trying > to create an CAD SS POLICE?? > > > "Don Butler" wrote in message > news:4035114a_2@newsprd01... > > The simplest seems to be a Log File. > > > > I use it to track what jobs I have worked on. > > > > Don > > > > > > "AutoCADjunkie" wrote in message > > news:31443749.1077214061994.JavaMail.jive@jiveforum2.autodesk.com... > > > Management is wanting a way to track the time someone actually is > working > > on drawings. Not when they open a file and close it, because any fool can > > open a file walk away and goof off. What is needed is a way to track the > > command selections. A way to track actual working time. > > > > > > Can this be done and has anyone tried it? > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 > > > > > >
Message 8 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: AutoCADjunkie

I've been in my business for awhile and you right about the fact you must be able to budget fairly well the numbers of hours for a given task. The thing is when you are associated with incompetent people who think they work for a socialist government, or any government for that matter and truly act as if the money dont matter. Competent people tend to be very creative to get around problems and make sure profitability and quality are the primary goals as long as they are involved in a trasparent way to a realist budget. I count on a final product from that person compared to the amount of time spent not to how that person got it done: walking on the parking lot, upside down, laid down, showering, etc... in Any sport teams we have only one head coach for a bunch of guys using their bodies. If someone is not playing well and making the team lose... call him to the beach right way. Enough said. Odie "Rudy Tovar" wrote in message news:4035295e_3@newsprd01... > If you had your own office, and would like to know how your time is being > spent, you'd ponder to think that someone working for you is not doing this > job. > > What it comes down to is profit. > > If you've been in the business long enough you'd know how long it would take > to produce a set of drawings. Based on that, you'd prepare your billable > hours, and deduct the amount you'd like to put a side for profitable income. > With that said, if you had someone employed, give him his budgeted hours to > get the job done, or contract someone to do the job for that amount, and > perhaps put in a percentage. > > If the project were to go over the budgeted hours, you'd know that something > is wrong and perhaps even find out that you under budgeted the project. > > If you really want to control the hours, then consider full-automation for > actually producing a project. Belonging to this newgroup you could learn > several methods to reduce the amount of time need to produce your set of > drawings. > > I'm a strong believer in automation, but for that you need imagination. > > -- > Rudy@Cadentity.com > AUTODESK > Authorized Developer > www.Cadentity.com > MASi > > > > > > "Odie Silva" wrote in message > news:4035152e_3@newsprd01... > > Why not go back to work rather than wasting valuable time trying > > to create an CAD SS POLICE?? > > > > > > "Don Butler" wrote in message > > news:4035114a_2@newsprd01... > > > The simplest seems to be a Log File. > > > > > > I use it to track what jobs I have worked on. > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > "AutoCADjunkie" wrote in message > > > news:31443749.1077214061994.JavaMail.jive@jiveforum2.autodesk.com... > > > > Management is wanting a way to track the time someone actually is > > working > > > on drawings. Not when they open a file and close it, because any fool > can > > > open a file walk away and goof off. What is needed is a way to track the > > > command selections. A way to track actual working time. > > > > > > > > Can this be done and has anyone tried it? > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > >
Message 9 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: AutoCADjunkie

Enough said? Far from the truth... You're holding back... "Odie Silva" wrote in message news:40353645_3@newsprd01... > I've been in my business for awhile and you right about the fact you must > be able to > budget fairly well the numbers of hours for a given task. > > The thing is when you are associated with incompetent people who think > they work for a socialist government, or any government for that matter > and truly act as if the money dont matter. > > Competent people tend to be very creative to get around problems and > make sure profitability and quality are the primary goals as long as > they are involved in a trasparent way to a realist budget. > > I count on a final product from that person compared to the amount of time > spent > not to how that person got it done: walking on the parking lot, upside down, > laid down, > showering, etc... > in Any sport teams we have only one head coach for a bunch of guys using > their bodies. > If someone is not playing well and making the team lose... call him to the > beach right way. > > Enough said. > > Odie > > "Rudy Tovar" wrote in message > news:4035295e_3@newsprd01... > > If you had your own office, and would like to know how your time is being > > spent, you'd ponder to think that someone working for you is not doing > this > > job. > > > > What it comes down to is profit. > > > > If you've been in the business long enough you'd know how long it would > take > > to produce a set of drawings. Based on that, you'd prepare your billable > > hours, and deduct the amount you'd like to put a side for profitable > income. > > With that said, if you had someone employed, give him his budgeted hours > to > > get the job done, or contract someone to do the job for that amount, and > > perhaps put in a percentage. > > > > If the project were to go over the budgeted hours, you'd know that > something > > is wrong and perhaps even find out that you under budgeted the project. > > > > If you really want to control the hours, then consider full-automation for > > actually producing a project. Belonging to this newgroup you could learn > > several methods to reduce the amount of time need to produce your set of > > drawings. > > > > I'm a strong believer in automation, but for that you need imagination. > > > > -- > > Rudy@Cadentity.com > > AUTODESK > > Authorized Developer > > www.Cadentity.com > > MASi > > > > > > > > > > > > "Odie Silva" wrote in message > > news:4035152e_3@newsprd01... > > > Why not go back to work rather than wasting valuable time trying > > > to create an CAD SS POLICE?? > > > > > > > > > "Don Butler" wrote in message > > > news:4035114a_2@newsprd01... > > > > The simplest seems to be a Log File. > > > > > > > > I use it to track what jobs I have worked on. > > > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > > > > "AutoCADjunkie" wrote in message > > > > news:31443749.1077214061994.JavaMail.jive@jiveforum2.autodesk.com... > > > > > Management is wanting a way to track the time someone actually is > > > working > > > > on drawings. Not when they open a file and close it, because any fool > > can > > > > open a file walk away and goof off. What is needed is a way to track > the > > > > command selections. A way to track actual working time. > > > > > > > > > > Can this be done and has anyone tried it? > > > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Message 10 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: AutoCADjunkie

Since you are so sure... can you also tell me the winner numbers for next week's lotto??? I can use the money. "Rudy Tovar" wrote in message news:40353ad8$1_2@newsprd01... > Enough said? > > Far from the truth... > > You're holding back... > > "Odie Silva" wrote in message > news:40353645_3@newsprd01... > > I've been in my business for awhile and you right about the fact you must > > be able to > > budget fairly well the numbers of hours for a given task. > > > > The thing is when you are associated with incompetent people who think > > they work for a socialist government, or any government for that matter > > and truly act as if the money dont matter. > > > > Competent people tend to be very creative to get around problems and > > make sure profitability and quality are the primary goals as long as > > they are involved in a trasparent way to a realist budget. > > > > I count on a final product from that person compared to the amount of time > > spent > > not to how that person got it done: walking on the parking lot, upside > down, > > laid down, > > showering, etc... > > in Any sport teams we have only one head coach for a bunch of guys using > > their bodies. > > If someone is not playing well and making the team lose... call him to the > > beach right way. > > > > Enough said. > > > > Odie > > > > "Rudy Tovar" wrote in message > > news:4035295e_3@newsprd01... > > > If you had your own office, and would like to know how your time is > being > > > spent, you'd ponder to think that someone working for you is not doing > > this > > > job. > > > > > > What it comes down to is profit. > > > > > > If you've been in the business long enough you'd know how long it would > > take > > > to produce a set of drawings. Based on that, you'd prepare your billable > > > hours, and deduct the amount you'd like to put a side for profitable > > income. > > > With that said, if you had someone employed, give him his budgeted hours > > to > > > get the job done, or contract someone to do the job for that amount, and > > > perhaps put in a percentage. > > > > > > If the project were to go over the budgeted hours, you'd know that > > something > > > is wrong and perhaps even find out that you under budgeted the project. > > > > > > If you really want to control the hours, then consider full-automation > for > > > actually producing a project. Belonging to this newgroup you could learn > > > several methods to reduce the amount of time need to produce your set of > > > drawings. > > > > > > I'm a strong believer in automation, but for that you need imagination. > > > > > > -- > > > Rudy@Cadentity.com > > > AUTODESK > > > Authorized Developer > > > www.Cadentity.com > > > MASi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Odie Silva" wrote in message > > > news:4035152e_3@newsprd01... > > > > Why not go back to work rather than wasting valuable time trying > > > > to create an CAD SS POLICE?? > > > > > > > > > > > > "Don Butler" wrote in message > > > > news:4035114a_2@newsprd01... > > > > > The simplest seems to be a Log File. > > > > > > > > > > I use it to track what jobs I have worked on. > > > > > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "AutoCADjunkie" wrote in message > > > > > news:31443749.1077214061994.JavaMail.jive@jiveforum2.autodesk.com... > > > > > > Management is wanting a way to track the time someone actually is > > > > working > > > > > on drawings. Not when they open a file and close it, because any > fool > > > can > > > > > open a file walk away and goof off. What is needed is a way to track > > the > > > > > command selections. A way to track actual working time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can this be done and has anyone tried it? > > > > > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > > Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Message 11 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: AutoCADjunkie

I actually wrote a formula based on possibilities back in the eighties, and gave them to someone, but he never used the numbers. Guess what? 5 of the numbers came up... What's even funnier, is that while creating a serial no. generator for my utilities, I was able to create a method of determining winning odds on the slots, and I was able to hit the pot 3 times in a row..., but wait I wanted to make sure that it worked, so I went around and tried different machines... Guess what? They all cashed out... 17 48 29 9 32 5 4 - just for fun..... "Odie Silva" wrote in message news:40353c22_2@newsprd01... > Since you are so sure... can you also tell me the winner numbers for next > week's lotto??? > > I can use the money. > > > "Rudy Tovar" wrote in message > news:40353ad8$1_2@newsprd01... > > Enough said? > > > > Far from the truth... > > > > You're holding back... > > > > "Odie Silva" wrote in message > > news:40353645_3@newsprd01... > > > I've been in my business for awhile and you right about the fact you > must > > > be able to > > > budget fairly well the numbers of hours for a given task. > > > > > > The thing is when you are associated with incompetent people who think > > > they work for a socialist government, or any government for that matter > > > and truly act as if the money dont matter. > > > > > > Competent people tend to be very creative to get around problems and > > > make sure profitability and quality are the primary goals as long as > > > they are involved in a trasparent way to a realist budget. > > > > > > I count on a final product from that person compared to the amount of > time > > > spent > > > not to how that person got it done: walking on the parking lot, upside > > down, > > > laid down, > > > showering, etc... > > > in Any sport teams we have only one head coach for a bunch of guys using > > > their bodies. > > > If someone is not playing well and making the team lose... call him to > the > > > beach right way. > > > > > > Enough said. > > > > > > Odie > > > > > > "Rudy Tovar" wrote in message > > > news:4035295e_3@newsprd01... > > > > If you had your own office, and would like to know how your time is > > being > > > > spent, you'd ponder to think that someone working for you is not doing > > > this > > > > job. > > > > > > > > What it comes down to is profit. > > > > > > > > If you've been in the business long enough you'd know how long it > would > > > take > > > > to produce a set of drawings. Based on that, you'd prepare your > billable > > > > hours, and deduct the amount you'd like to put a side for profitable > > > income. > > > > With that said, if you had someone employed, give him his budgeted > hours > > > to > > > > get the job done, or contract someone to do the job for that amount, > and > > > > perhaps put in a percentage. > > > > > > > > If the project were to go over the budgeted hours, you'd know that > > > something > > > > is wrong and perhaps even find out that you under budgeted the > project. > > > > > > > > If you really want to control the hours, then consider full-automation > > for > > > > actually producing a project. Belonging to this newgroup you could > learn > > > > several methods to reduce the amount of time need to produce your set > of > > > > drawings. > > > > > > > > I'm a strong believer in automation, but for that you need > imagination. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Rudy@Cadentity.com > > > > AUTODESK > > > > Authorized Developer > > > > www.Cadentity.com > > > > MASi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Odie Silva" wrote in message > > > > news:4035152e_3@newsprd01... > > > > > Why not go back to work rather than wasting valuable time trying > > > > > to create an CAD SS POLICE?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Don Butler" wrote in message > > > > > news:4035114a_2@newsprd01... > > > > > > The simplest seems to be a Log File. > > > > > > > > > > > > I use it to track what jobs I have worked on. > > > > > > > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "AutoCADjunkie" wrote in message > > > > > > > news:31443749.1077214061994.JavaMail.jive@jiveforum2.autodesk.com... > > > > > > > Management is wanting a way to track the time someone actually > is > > > > > working > > > > > > on drawings. Not when they open a file and close it, because any > > fool > > > > can > > > > > > open a file walk away and goof off. What is needed is a way to > track > > > the > > > > > > command selections. A way to track actual working time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can this be done and has anyone tried it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > > > Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Message 12 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: AutoCADjunkie

"Rudy Tovar" wrote in message news:4035442e_2@newsprd01... > I actually wrote a formula based on possibilities back in the eighties, and Guess what? They all cashed out... with a system like that, why are you still working? :-)
Message 13 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: AutoCADjunkie

I only tested it to see if it would work, because I knew mathimatically it could be done. It's against my religious beliefs to gamble, or even play the lottery. Besides, I make a lot of money doing what I'm doing. "Mark Propst" wrote in message news:40354863$1_2@newsprd01... > > "Rudy Tovar" wrote in message > news:4035442e_2@newsprd01... > > I actually wrote a formula based on possibilities back in the eighties, > and > Guess what? They all cashed out... > > with a system like that, why are you still working? > :-) > >
Message 14 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: AutoCADjunkie

"Rudy Tovar" wrote in message news:4035499e_1@newsprd01... > > Besides, I make a lot of money doing what I'm doing. must be nice! I must be in the wrong business! :-) or i should say ... :-(
Message 15 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: AutoCADjunkie

More like |:-o "Mark Propst" wrote in message news:403554e1$1_3@newsprd01... > > "Rudy Tovar" wrote in message > news:4035499e_1@newsprd01... > > > > Besides, I make a lot of money doing what I'm doing. > > must be nice! > I must be in the wrong business! > :-) > or i should say ... > :-( > > > >
Message 16 of 19

I like the comments. But this has nothing to do with budget. We have a Supervisor who thrives off of micro managing. I sometimes think he gets off on it more than..well you know. I argued that we are all adults, but his little cronie (who pretends to know how to write lisp) said we need it and so who do you think won that verbal fight. Thanks for the input guys...
Message 17 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: AutoCADjunkie

Big Brother is definitely watching these days! 😉 What about also tracking the time spent in this NG? LOL!
Message 18 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: AutoCADjunkie

I have had to justify time in various NG's. Luckily I have been able to provide tangible time savings by things I have learned or found in here (and other NG's). Not only the customization, but many of the other groups. We all have issues that arise and don't know the answers to everything (as I find on a daily basis in here). Jeff
Message 19 of 19
EC-CAD
in reply to: AutoCADjunkie

Phil,
Good one 🙂
Bob

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