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Original Create Date (Date Only)

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scottmoyse
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Original Create Date (Date Only)

I am trying to get Vault to map the 'Original Create Date' property to the create date in my Autocad Title block. I have sucessfully mapped it, but it contains the time as well as the date. This isnt acceptable.

 

I can see through the, new for 2012, Revision table settings, that you have access to the 'Original Create Date (Date Only)' property. However, these **** (Date Only) type properties don't exist in the property definition. So i can't map a (Date Only) property to my autocad title block.

 

What i don't understand is Brian Schanen's blog post suggests otherwise. http://underthehood-autodesk.typepad.com/blog/2010/04/new-vault-properties-for-title-block-mapping.h... Sure its an Inventor drawing he is using, but all the documentation suggests ultimately (once the title block is indexed in the ADMS) control of the autocad and inventor title blocks are virtually the same. 

 

As you can see in this picture below, somehow the 'Original Create Date' has had its time stamp stripped off between the Vault property grid and the Inventor title block:

 

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The question is: Am I missing something? or is this more Autodesk Blog trickery? Given Brian is a bit of a Ledge... I must be missing something!!??!

 

Please help.

 

Cheers

 

Scott


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Richard.Rankin
in reply to: scottmoyse

Hi Scott,

 

I am escalating this to a 1:1 case as I believe that this is a new issue.

 

 

 

 



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Message 3 of 17
scottmoyse
in reply to: Richard.Rankin

ok ,great in the meantime we will carry on the old school way.


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Message 4 of 17
dlconsulting
in reply to: scottmoyse

Hi Scott,

 

Did you ever get an answer to this question of date formatting?  I just discovered this issue kind of at the 11th hour on a big project, and none of the work-arounds are very pretty.  The "date only" property would be an acceptable answer (although frankly more formatting flexibility of dates in mappings would be a better answer.

 

Thanks for any further insight you might have!

 

Dan

Message 5 of 17
scottmoyse
in reply to: scottmoyse

Dan

To be honest after the post I haven't done a thing with trying to sort out integrating autocad into vault. So other than the default mappings I haven't done a thing. I was lead to believe this would be fixed for vault 2012 update 1, but I haven't verified if it has been. if you have that update and it doesn't work then I'm mystified as to why this hugely important part of the title block and revision history table hasn't been fixed via a hot fix. Based on some of the vault teams recent decisions on what's a 'priority for the end users' I wouldn't be surprised.

I'm sorry I can't be of more help. I will try and make time to test it on the 2013 beta but I won't be able to reply with the result I'm afraid.

Cheers

Scott

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Message 6 of 17
dlconsulting
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Thanks for the fast reply.

 

I don't have Update 1 (somehow I nissed that), but looking through the read-me, it's not mentioned in the list of issues addressed.

 

Given the hour, I don't trust myself to install the update tonight, but will try it in the AM.

 

Question: I'm sure that Vault supports alternative date/time formats for different geographies.  a) do you know where the configuration for that is located and b) any chance one might be able to force an alternative default date display from that vantage?

 

Dan

Message 7 of 17
scottmoyse
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I suspect it takes the format from the operating system.

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Message 8 of 17
commonsensesrl
in reply to: scottmoyse

Has anyone found a solution for this issue? Is there a way to have only the Date information without the hour?

 

Thanks

 

Regards

Message 9 of 17
scottmoyse
in reply to: commonsensesrl

It was meant to be fixed... Richard have you got any news on this?


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Message 10 of 17
Richard.Rankin
in reply to: scottmoyse

Hi All,

 

When this functionality was implemented it was intended to primarily benefit Inventor users. But then it was seen that it could be useful for AutoCAD users as well. However, AutoCAD does appear to behave slightly differently.

 

The information sent from the Vault Server to the CAD Application contains the DATE & TIME. Inventor has the ability to remove the TIME information because it supports data type = DATE, but AutoCAD does not. AutoCAD will display the full text as it receives it in data type = TEXT. The safest way to do implement this is to add the same functionality in AutoCAD in a future release. Until then, there is no easy to use way have the Orginal Create Date (with no time) written back to AutoCAD.

 

Reading through this forum thread it would seem that there is a misleading statement from Autodesk suggesting that AutoCAD should behave exactly the same way as Inventor. I have not been able to find this so far (Brians blog posting mentions neither AutoCAD nor Inventor specifically, its just the example is Inventor), so if you could point me to where it states this, I can see if I can get the information corrected to hopefully reflect reality, avoid misinterpretation and be as transparent as possible.

 

Many Thanks

 

Richard



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Message 11 of 17
scottmoyse
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@Richard.Rankin wrote:

 

The information sent from the Vault Server to the CAD Application contains the DATE & TIME. Inventor has the ability to remove the TIME information because it supports data type = DATE, but AutoCAD does not. AutoCAD will display the full text as it receives it in data type = TEXT. The safest way to do implement this is to add the same functionality in AutoCAD in a future release. Until then, there is no easy to use way have the Original Create Date (with no time) written back to AutoCAD.


So are you saying the 'Original Create Date (Date Only)' property in the Vault Revision Table settings is made available by Inventor and not by Vault? I would be extremely surprised if that was the case, since it would be the only time Inventor had any influence over menu options and settings in the Vault Client.

 


@scottmoyse wrote:
However, these **** (Date Only) type properties don't exist in the property definition. So I can't map a (Date Only) property to my autocad title block.

Although I'm sure you are correct about AutoCAD's behaviour surely the 'Original Create Date (Date Only)' property could be made available in the global Vault property definition instead of just in the Revision Table Settings dialogue. Then Vault would only be passing that value to the AutoCAD title block instead of the time as well. So from my point of view it appears this issue could be resolved on the Vault teams side or as you state on the AutoCAD teams side. So I hope one of them fixes it.

 


@Richard.Rankin wrote:

 

Reading through this forum thread it would seem that there is a misleading statement from Autodesk suggesting that AutoCAD should behave exactly the same way as Inventor. I have not been able to find this so far (Brians blog posting mentions neither AutoCAD nor Inventor specifically, its just the example is Inventor), so if you could point me to where it states this, I can see if I can get the information corrected to hopefully reflect reality, avoid misinterpretation and be as transparent as possible.

 


No product was mentioned specifically I agree. Since I believe there are only a few products Autodesk makes with Title Blocks/Revision History Tables, and the information provided is broad sweeping, its reasonable to assume its supported for all the products which support the Vault Revision Table. So to my knowledge this is AutoCAD and Inventor, I'm not familiar with Revit and Civil 3D etc.. Since its not supported by all those products, then maybe any statements relating to this feature should in fact be very specific to avoid any ambiguity or confusion.

 

Thanks for your time and suggestions Richard

 

Scott


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Message 12 of 17
keithc03
in reply to: scottmoyse

Guys

          am i to assume that this issue was never resolved ?

if it was can someone post the cure as to how  please

 

keith

Message 13 of 17
scottmoyse
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no it wasn't resolved.... to my knowledge at least.


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Message 14 of 17
scottmoyse
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Still not fixed in AutoCAD 2014


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Message 15 of 17
Maarten65
in reply to: scottmoyse

Is this fixed in the 2019 environment?

I still see the issue here.

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Message 16 of 17
Raf_
in reply to: Maarten65

Autodesk can you make that property global so i can link this to my Microsoft word template as creation date ???

Message 17 of 17
ihayesjr
in reply to: Raf_

@Raf_ ,

This is a global setting in Vault 2018, 2019 and 2020.

See the Help topic.

 

Using Date Only While Updating Properties
Check Using Date Only While Updating Properties to exclude the time when updating Date properties. For example, if you map the Date File Created property to your title block, with this option checked the result could be 5/17/2017, while with the option cleared the result would be 5/17/2017 11:11:10 PM.




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