I am trying to get Vault to map the 'Original Create Date' property to the create date in my Autocad Title block. I have sucessfully mapped it, but it contains the time as well as the date. This isnt acceptable.
I can see through the, new for 2012, Revision table settings, that you have access to the 'Original Create Date (Date Only)' property. However, these **** (Date Only) type properties don't exist in the property definition. So i can't map a (Date Only) property to my autocad title block.
What i don't understand is Brian Schanen's blog post suggests otherwise. http://underthehood-autodesk.typepad.com/blog/2010/04/new-vault-properties-for-title-block-mapping.h... Sure its an Inventor drawing he is using, but all the documentation suggests ultimately (once the title block is indexed in the ADMS) control of the autocad and inventor title blocks are virtually the same.
As you can see in this picture below, somehow the 'Original Create Date' has had its time stamp stripped off between the Vault property grid and the Inventor title block:
The question is: Am I missing something? or is this more Autodesk Blog trickery? Given Brian is a bit of a Ledge... I must be missing something!!??!
Please help.
Cheers
Scott
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Hi Scott,
I am escalating this to a 1:1 case as I believe that this is a new issue.
ok ,great in the meantime we will carry on the old school way.
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Hi Scott,
Did you ever get an answer to this question of date formatting? I just discovered this issue kind of at the 11th hour on a big project, and none of the work-arounds are very pretty. The "date only" property would be an acceptable answer (although frankly more formatting flexibility of dates in mappings would be a better answer.
Thanks for any further insight you might have!
Dan
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Thanks for the fast reply.
I don't have Update 1 (somehow I nissed that), but looking through the read-me, it's not mentioned in the list of issues addressed.
Given the hour, I don't trust myself to install the update tonight, but will try it in the AM.
Question: I'm sure that Vault supports alternative date/time formats for different geographies. a) do you know where the configuration for that is located and b) any chance one might be able to force an alternative default date display from that vantage?
Dan
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Has anyone found a solution for this issue? Is there a way to have only the Date information without the hour?
Thanks
Regards
It was meant to be fixed... Richard have you got any news on this?
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Hi All,
When this functionality was implemented it was intended to primarily benefit Inventor users. But then it was seen that it could be useful for AutoCAD users as well. However, AutoCAD does appear to behave slightly differently.
The information sent from the Vault Server to the CAD Application contains the DATE & TIME. Inventor has the ability to remove the TIME information because it supports data type = DATE, but AutoCAD does not. AutoCAD will display the full text as it receives it in data type = TEXT. The safest way to do implement this is to add the same functionality in AutoCAD in a future release. Until then, there is no easy to use way have the Orginal Create Date (with no time) written back to AutoCAD.
Reading through this forum thread it would seem that there is a misleading statement from Autodesk suggesting that AutoCAD should behave exactly the same way as Inventor. I have not been able to find this so far (Brians blog posting mentions neither AutoCAD nor Inventor specifically, its just the example is Inventor), so if you could point me to where it states this, I can see if I can get the information corrected to hopefully reflect reality, avoid misinterpretation and be as transparent as possible.
Many Thanks
Richard
@Richard.Rankin wrote:
The information sent from the Vault Server to the CAD Application contains the DATE & TIME. Inventor has the ability to remove the TIME information because it supports data type = DATE, but AutoCAD does not. AutoCAD will display the full text as it receives it in data type = TEXT. The safest way to do implement this is to add the same functionality in AutoCAD in a future release. Until then, there is no easy to use way have the Original Create Date (with no time) written back to AutoCAD.
So are you saying the 'Original Create Date (Date Only)' property in the Vault Revision Table settings is made available by Inventor and not by Vault? I would be extremely surprised if that was the case, since it would be the only time Inventor had any influence over menu options and settings in the Vault Client.
@scottmoyse wrote:However, these **** (Date Only) type properties don't exist in the property definition. So I can't map a (Date Only) property to my autocad title block.
Although I'm sure you are correct about AutoCAD's behaviour surely the 'Original Create Date (Date Only)' property could be made available in the global Vault property definition instead of just in the Revision Table Settings dialogue. Then Vault would only be passing that value to the AutoCAD title block instead of the time as well. So from my point of view it appears this issue could be resolved on the Vault teams side or as you state on the AutoCAD teams side. So I hope one of them fixes it.
@Richard.Rankin wrote:
Reading through this forum thread it would seem that there is a misleading statement from Autodesk suggesting that AutoCAD should behave exactly the same way as Inventor. I have not been able to find this so far (Brians blog posting mentions neither AutoCAD nor Inventor specifically, its just the example is Inventor), so if you could point me to where it states this, I can see if I can get the information corrected to hopefully reflect reality, avoid misinterpretation and be as transparent as possible.
No product was mentioned specifically I agree. Since I believe there are only a few products Autodesk makes with Title Blocks/Revision History Tables, and the information provided is broad sweeping, its reasonable to assume its supported for all the products which support the Vault Revision Table. So to my knowledge this is AutoCAD and Inventor, I'm not familiar with Revit and Civil 3D etc.. Since its not supported by all those products, then maybe any statements relating to this feature should in fact be very specific to avoid any ambiguity or confusion.
Thanks for your time and suggestions Richard
Scott
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Guys
am i to assume that this issue was never resolved ?
if it was can someone post the cure as to how please
keith
no it wasn't resolved.... to my knowledge at least.
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Still not fixed in AutoCAD 2014
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Is this fixed in the 2019 environment?
I still see the issue here.
Autodesk can you make that property global so i can link this to my Microsoft word template as creation date ???
@Raf_ ,
This is a global setting in Vault 2018, 2019 and 2020.
See the Help topic.
Using Date Only While Updating Properties
Check Using Date Only While Updating Properties to exclude the time when updating Date properties. For example, if you map the Date File Created property to your title block, with this option checked the result could be 5/17/2017, while with the option cleared the result would be 5/17/2017 11:11:10 PM.
So the help link page is broken, and there doesn't seem to be a real solution to this problem yet.
I've been trying to populate a system property into my user defined information. <-- This is the issue.
Specifically trying to use Date Modified (Date Only), but the issue looks like it's the same.
Since data sets that are "date" can't be searched it seems that this information is not able to be generated automatically in vault.
I have a feeling that the answer is already out there, but the search results keep running into the same things, mostly dealing with older versions of vault that are no longer applicable. Or like this post, have a link to a broken autodesk help page.
Can you please provide more information of what you are trying to do?
Are you trying to put a date only in a file? If so, what type of file?
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