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Vault Pro measures Area of Items in “Each”-es?

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Message 1 of 16
Maxim-CADman77
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Vault Pro measures Area of Items in “Each”-es?

Vault Pro 2014 seems fail to work with units of measure of Area specified in 3D-models.

Steps to reproduce:

  1. Create Inventor model with “Base Unit” = “m^2” (Document Settings -> Bill Of Material).
  2. Save and Check the model to Vault.
  3. Assign Item to the model.

See “Each” in Units property (expected value is «Square Meter»)

 

Mass and Length units are both OK - Gram, Meter etc. are set automatically.

 

Of course user can manually switch value to desired value, but nobody wants to keep it constantly in mind

...thus I wonder ....

if this could be fixed by Vault admin or we all should wait Autodesk to create some patch?

 

PS: The same defect is present in VP2013.

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Message 2 of 16
minkd
in reply to: Maxim-CADman77

By default we have a unit-of-measure "sqm" for square meters (also sqcm, sqft & sqin for area).  If you want to add "m^2", you can do that in Tools / Administration / Vault Settings / Items Tab / Configure Units.

 

-Dave



Dave Mink
Fusion Lifecycle
Autodesk, Inc.
Message 3 of 16
Maxim-CADman77
in reply to: minkd

Have your Vault set Units of any newly Item Assigned to 3Dmodel to
whatever of mentioned Area units automatically?
Message 4 of 16
minkd
in reply to: Maxim-CADman77

Sorry, but I don't understand your question.

 

If the unit-of-measure definitions in vault do not match what you are using in the model, then they will become "each".  If you define your own and they match, they will be used instead.

 

-Dave



Dave Mink
Fusion Lifecycle
Autodesk, Inc.
Message 5 of 16

Have you tried to reproduce issue with my instruction?

Which step seems incorrect or illogical or too custom?

Do you mean you don't have in your Vault as one of system
(not user) Units?
Message 6 of 16

Ok. Forget my last message. I think I've got point of your first message in the thread.

 

Pay attention I haven't created custom units in Vault and neither i did in Inventor (pretty sure it is just impossible).

 

“You* have a unit-of-measure "sqm" for square meters» ... in the Vault, right?

 

But have You studied which units Inventor Development Team provides user with before introducing “sqm” unit in Vault?

 

What would be your recommendation regarding Step1 in 1st message for Inventor user who want some Item be measured in Area units (whatever of four Vault units you've mentioned)?

 

How Inventor user is expected to create “sqm” Base Unit to match Vault unit?

Have you did it personally or have you seen somebody who did it?

 

* I guess Vault Developing Team meant here.

Message 7 of 16
minkd
in reply to: Maxim-CADman77

In your original post, you wondered "if this could be fixed by Vault admin or we all should wait Autodesk to create some patch?".

 

I was simply suggesting a possible work-around that could be done by a Vault admin, based on a quick conversion with a colleague.

 

If the work-around does not work, I recommend starting a support case.

If it does work, please post to this thread so others reading this forum can benefit.

 

-Dave



Dave Mink
Fusion Lifecycle
Autodesk, Inc.
Message 8 of 16
Maxim-CADman77
in reply to: minkd

Let me clarify.

You suggest creating in Vault custom Units "m^2", right?

Even so there is ?system one "Square Meter"
Message 9 of 16
minkd
in reply to: Maxim-CADman77

Yes. There should be no problem with having a unit "sqm" and a unit "m^2", which have the same conversion factor to the same base unit (10000 sqcm).

 

-Dave

 



Dave Mink
Fusion Lifecycle
Autodesk, Inc.
Message 10 of 16
Maxim-CADman77
in reply to: minkd

I've thinked over workaround you've suggest and could say I'm not happy with it.

I'd rather change/fix symbol for existing unit (make "m^2" instead of "sqm").

I'm pretty sure it is possible - we did recieved SQL query as workaround for alike task (fixing name translation for couple standard units in Russian ADMS for details see case 07707724).

Could you please comment on my desire.

Message 11 of 16
minkd
in reply to: Maxim-CADman77

I don't think we have a way to edit units after they are created.  This is probably a good one for the Idea Station.

 

-Dave



Dave Mink
Fusion Lifecycle
Autodesk, Inc.
Message 12 of 16
Maxim-CADman77
in reply to: minkd

You DO have a way (see the history of the case mentioned or should I
post SQL query right here?).
Message 13 of 16
minkd
in reply to: Maxim-CADman77

I'm not sure what you are asking for.  I do not have access to your case history with Product Support as I am not part of that organization.

 

My understanding is that we do not support running SQL scripts directly against the database.  Product Support can (and has) given scripts to customers in certain cases, but those scripts are not intended for mass distribution. I have no comment regarding any such scripts.  I stick to what can be done with our released products.

 

-Dave



Dave Mink
Fusion Lifecycle
Autodesk, Inc.
Message 14 of 16
Maxim-CADman77
in reply to: minkd

Ok. But I as CAD manager don't want to have two units for same unit. Is
that clear?

For me Symbol "sqm" or "sqcm" just doesn't make sense for Inventor
models (at least I got no answer to the thread
https://www.google.com.ua/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=r
ja&uact=8&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.autodesk.com%2Ft5%2FVaul
t-General%2FWhat-is-an-intendent-way-of-using-SQCM-and-other-units-calul
ated%2Ftd-p%2F5123732&ei=-t_XU5jZEqvNygOz3IGQCg&usg=AFQjCNGRIft1B937cbf4
66WG-kUuz_0weA).

I doubt it make sense for any other application (maybe Vault units are
more oriented towards Revit, no?).



If no then it is a defect and I'd like to know on how to fix this.

(standard unit just can't be used as is ...then why we are adding one
more instead of fixing the existing)?

If I should create own unit then how do I delete standard?
Message 15 of 16
minkd
in reply to: Maxim-CADman77

I understand that workarounds are less than ideal.  In a perfect world they would not be required at all.

 

It sounds like you have already opened a case with Product Support, which is IMHO, the right thing to do if you have found a defect that is causing problems.  We are supposed to be in the business of solving problems for our customers, not causing them.

 

The only other thing I can suggest would be to add an enhancement request to the idea station to allow units-of-measure to be edited and/or deleted/disabled.

 

Unfortunately, I don't have any other workarounds.

 

-Dave



Dave Mink
Fusion Lifecycle
Autodesk, Inc.
Message 16 of 16
Maxim-CADman77
in reply to: minkd

Unfortunately I can't say Vault Tech Support is doing their job
nowadays.



The answer (month ago) was:

our development department worked and works on the functionalities:
"Units of Measure" and
"BOM of Material".

With one of the next Release it will be available more flexibility for
this functionalties.


Best regards,

Elisabeth Boehm
Autodesk Support Team







So their best bet is to provide workaround in "one of the next releases"


Thus I'm here ... trying to find the way to solve the defect
independently of unreliable Vault Tech Support

The same I feel regarding the idea station. I'm not asking for something
new I only would like either to be told how to use existing
functionality (or get workaround if functionality is defective).

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