Hi. I have a few questions to clarify the calculation of shell reinforcement using Wood & Armer method. I have already read the help page below.
1) Can you show me how Robot is using the Wood & Armer forces (Mxd*, Myd* etc.) to calculate required reinforcement? I am trying to verify this by hand using ACI-318 design code. I am using shell elements in panels and designing for bending + compression/tension.
2) Specifically I would like to know how Robot uses the compression/tension forces (Nxr*, Nyr*, Nxs*, Nys*) when designing for bending + compression/tension. Would a tension force be divided between top and bottom reinforcement regardless of the bending moment?
3) When designing the top reinforcement does Robot assume there is zero reinforcement in the bottom face?
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1) Can you show me how Robot is using the Wood & Armer forces (Mxd*, Myd* etc.) to calculate required reinforcement? I am trying to verify this by hand using ACI-318 design code. I am using shell elements in panels and designing for bending + compression/tension.
I'm not sure if I understand you correctly. Basically the idea is to design reinforcement for combined axial load and bending moment for axial force in the direction of reinforcement plus bending of value equal to Mxx + Mxy
2) Specifically I would like to know how Robot uses the compression/tension forces (Nxr*, Nyr*, Nxs*, Nys*) when designing for bending + compression/tension. Would a tension force be divided between top and bottom reinforcement regardless of the bending moment?
Reinforcement will be design based on equilibrium of forces in the cross section.
3) When designing the top reinforcement does Robot assume there is zero reinforcement in the bottom face?
No, as the design of reinforcement is based on the equilibrium of forces in the cross section the compression reinforcement is included when exists.
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Thanks for your reply but I am looking for more detail to verify the Robot calculation of reinforcement. Please can you explain (step-by-step using an example) how Robot calculates required reinforcement using Wood & Armer forces and the ACI-318 design code.
My understanding is that you try to compare results of your hand calculations with the area of reinforcement obtained in Robot for given value of bending moment and axial force (which are determined by w and A method). I'm afraid that with my limited knowledge of ACI I'll not be able to give you step by step description but I may try to find out what causes the difference if you send me the model (and indicate which center of surface element or node as well as which load case to focus on) and your hand calculations.
Yes your understanding is correct. Please see attached model and hand calculations.
First of all I'd like to focus your attention to the fact that for the W and A method the in-plane forces as assumed as NXX and NYY on the direction of reinforcement rather than Nxx(WandA) and NYY(WandA). This is not a factor for this example but may be important for others.
As far as I can see you just calculated separately area of reinforcement for plain bending and tension/compression and then you add up the obtained values. This is not the same as the approach adopted in Robot which is to assume top and bottom reinforcement and verify the equilibrium of internal forces in the cross section. What it means is that the top reinforcement can be smaller as this part of the cross section is under compression due to bending and the bottom one can be smaller as there is the influence of the existing top reinforcement.
I think that the better approach for checking if Robot results are correct would be to manually verify if the areas calculated by Robot are sufficient enough to withstand combined action of axial force and bending. I hope this helps.
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Hi
Beside that have to draw attention to the following :
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Refaat
Thanks for your comments. However, it would still be useful to know exactly how Robot calculates required reinforcement for bending + compression/tension using the Wood & Armer method. Otherwise I can't verify results and have to use a different post-processor.
Robot determines the equilibrium of forces in a cross section and calculates top and bottom reinfiorcement from the equations as below:
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Dear Artur
Please , what is the address name of this book ?
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Refaat
Edward G. Nawy - "Reinforced concrete. A fundamental Approach"
Hi Artur,
Can you please give a step by step solution as to how Robot calculates the reinforcement demand. It is fundamental to know exactly what Robot is doing and to have it verified using hand calculations - only this way can I have confidence to use the software.
Can you use the example and attachments provided by RH4321 above. All necessary information is in the attachments. I have tried to determine the reinforcement without success.
Maybe Rafal can help here too?
Thanks
I'm not sure if I'm able to give you step by step procedure as it is iterative soluition but try the following approach:
1. Define reinforcement as calculated by Robot for Ax(-) and Ax(+)
2. Verify if it can withstand Nxx + Mxx (W&A)
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