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New Autodesk Pricing/Suite Content

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Message 1 of 19
LiseGarner2808
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New Autodesk Pricing/Suite Content

Okay, for those of us that are sole proprietors & rely on Autodesk products, this is just cruel. 

 

We faithfully entered into a subscription with Autodesk, paid our invoices on time & this is what we get for our loyalty?  A $250 increase in our subscriptions for a suite containing products that we have never, nor will ever use. 

 

I am not a consulting engineer & will never use the MEP & Structural products contained in this new suite that I am forced to pay for just for the privilege of being able to use my subscription.

 

Gee, thanks a lot, Autodesk.  You've made me feel real special.

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Message 2 of 19

OK.

 

I'm not saying you're wrong. But since there are a number of Autodesk products and Suites containing different products. We'd have a better understanding of what you're going through if you named your product and suite. Also a link to the description of the new policy your talking about would be helpful.

 

I'm a Civil 3D user and we were not forced to purchase a suite.



Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 3 of 19

Hi Allen,

 

The message I got from Autodesk was this:

 

 
 
Subscription Update
Dear Autodesk Subscription Customer,

We would like to inform you that effective January 7, 2013, Autodesk is discontinuing the following suites:

AutoCAD® Revit® Architecture Suite
AutoCAD® Revit® MEP Suite
AutoCAD® Revit® Structure Suite

As an Autodesk customer with AutoCAD Revit Architecture Suite, AutoCAD Revit MEP Suite, or AutoCAD Revit Structure Suite software on a current* Subscription contract you will automatically be upgraded** to Autodesk® Building Design Suite Premium.

You will receive an email notification when Building Design Suite Premium becomes available for download on Subscription Center at www.autodesk.com/subscriptionlogin (on or after January 7, 2013). If you have elected to receive box shipments of products, you will receive a USB drive containing Building Design Suite Premium.

Autodesk Building Design Suite Premium includes:

Autodesk® Revit® 2013, a new version of software based on the Revit® platform that includes all of the functionality in Autodesk® Revit® Architecture 2013, Autodesk® Revit® Structure 2013, and Autodesk® Revit® MEP 2013 software in a single, comprehensive application. Learn more
AutoCAD® 2013
AutoCAD® Architecture 2013
AutoCAD® MEP 2013
AutoCAD® Structural Detailing 2013
Autodesk® Navisworks® Simulate 2013
Autodesk® Showcase® 2013
Autodesk® SketchBook® Designer 2013
Autodesk® 3ds Max® Design 2013
Access to certain Autodesk® 360 cloud services, such as rendering, energy analysis, and structural analysis.

Learn More about Autodesk Building Design Suite Premium

If you have questions, please contact your Autodesk Authorized Reseller, or Autodesk sales representative.

© Copyright 2012 Autodesk, Inc. All rights reserved.




& it was verified by my reseller.

 

I currently hold a subscription for Revit Architecture Suite.

Message 4 of 19

I don't know what your needs are. But if you only need Revit, tell your reseller to downgrade your subscription to Autodesk Revit Architecture 2013, a standalone application.

 

Whenever Autodesk comes up with a new and simplified upgrade policy. It means they "simply" want more of your money. This will be my 30th year using their products. So I've seen quite a few.



Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 5 of 19
pendean
in reply to: LiseGarner2808

Suites have always had a hidden sting: I resisted the initial "value" because unless every user really and truly uses the package every day they have always been a waste of money IMHO.
So far that has proven to be the correct approach: we are only paying for what we have only ever used, no idle "extras" here.

Sorry you got stung, this world still remains a buyer-beware world: of it's too good to be true, it always is. Even at Autodesk.
Message 6 of 19
pendean
in reply to: pendean

Message 7 of 19

Yeah, I'm not thrilled either.

 

I use the Revit MEP Suite. Most of our work is still being managed through AutoCAD/AutoCAD MEP, but, we're doing a transition from CAD to BIM, so, 10% of our campus is already RVT.

 

Only having the one license on my budget means the total cost increase isn't huge, but, as a percentage of subscription increase... it's enough to make me mighty irritated.



Melanie Stone
Facilities Data Management
IWMS / CAFM / CMMS / AutoCAD / Archibus / Tririga / Planon / MRI Manhattan CenterStone / Revit / data normalization, data mapping, reporting and process documentation
mistressofthedorkness.blogspot.com/
Message 8 of 19
rector
in reply to: LiseGarner2808

We only need simple AutoCAD and Revit but now have to buy all of these other products as well. The cost of just getting the two as stand alone products is just slightly less that the suite we are being forced into.

Message 9 of 19
cbenner
in reply to: rector

AD should offer a build your own suite option.  They can even tell us we have to include a certain number of products... but can choose from a list of acceptable items.  Then price the suite based on what we need for our companies, not what they assume we need.  For example, I use Product Design Suite, which comes with a ton of stuff I've never even opened... but does not include P&ID which I need.  I know... P&ID is in Plan Design Suite... but Electrical is not.  I need both.  I'd gladly trade some stuff for P&ID to make the perfect customized suite for my small company.

Message 10 of 19


@cbenner wrote:

AD should offer a build your own suite option.  They can even tell us we have to include a certain number of products... but can choose from a list of acceptable items.  Then price the suite based on what we need for our companies, not what they assume we need. 


Preach it, brother!

 

I had to opine on this for my niche because the suite I'm being stuck with isn't what I'd hand-pick for myself

- > http://mistressofthedorkness.blogspot.com/2012/05/autodesk-facility-management-suite-2013.html



Melanie Stone
Facilities Data Management
IWMS / CAFM / CMMS / AutoCAD / Archibus / Tririga / Planon / MRI Manhattan CenterStone / Revit / data normalization, data mapping, reporting and process documentation
mistressofthedorkness.blogspot.com/
Message 11 of 19
dgorsman
in reply to: cbenner

That actually might not be possible from a licensing standpoint.  Consider, how does a suite license know which products it will work with?  If they come from different development silos there may be logistical barriers to getting that suite license to recognize all the projects you are picking (some products may not be suite-licenseable).  Can't list them separately either - the suite licenses are not a 1+1 scheme.

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"I don't know" is the beginning of knowledge, not the end.


Message 12 of 19

Wouldn't that be the same as buying each software independently? Or is this more of a "I want a price break if I buy more than one" type of argument? You can only buy what you need, always have, still can. price hike or not.

Message 13 of 19

Oh, no argument there, Dean. 😉 I am free to buy Revit MEP and AutoCAD MEP by themselves, rather than taking being shifted into the Design Suite Premium.

 

Of course, as long as I'm no longer being offered the package I had (MEP Suite), I'd rather pout about the new package not adding as much to MY tasks as they would to someone in a different branch of our industry. I'll make use of, to a small extent, the products that came with it, but, they're not as useful as some of what I'd request in a bundle.



Melanie Stone
Facilities Data Management
IWMS / CAFM / CMMS / AutoCAD / Archibus / Tririga / Planon / MRI Manhattan CenterStone / Revit / data normalization, data mapping, reporting and process documentation
mistressofthedorkness.blogspot.com/
Message 14 of 19
cbenner
in reply to: pendean

I think it's a price break sort of thing.  It's the same as with the cable companies.  They have access to the satellites with all of the stations, but they bundle them as they see fit.  We have to choose a bundle and get whatever channels they say.  I like the idea of Suites from a pricing standpoint.  The individual packages would be MUCH more expensve as standalones. 

 

But, yes, I agree.  It's a choice and always has been.  But a little more flexibilty wouldn't hurt my feelings.  That's all I'm saying.

Message 15 of 19
bobbi.thompson
in reply to: dgorsman

If you can't see the value in the suites, then you have a chance to opt out. Contact your reseller if you haven't received the email about that. I believe it is only possible through February 22nd.

 

Message 16 of 19
pendean
in reply to: bobbi.thompson

If there is truly an opt out option, take it: bundles are terrible, whether from Autodesk or other sources. They just set you up to pay more later (the stick that is behind the carrot you bit into).

Message 17 of 19

I sure hope Mudbox is like totally free in this Autodesk PDS package.  1/2 🙂

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Autodesk Product Design Suite Premium 2019 | Perpetual + Subscription
Message 18 of 19
GilesPhillips
in reply to: pendean

I'm quite glad i didn't go down the suite road when my reseller offered it at their 'introductory' price. I just hope that Autodesk don't decide to start culling products that aren't sold as suites..

 

G

ACad, MEP, Revit, 3DS Max
Message 19 of 19
neilyj666
in reply to: GilesPhillips

I resisted the offer last year to upgrade to a Civil 3D suite as the annual subscription is more and I don't really need all the bundled suite software. As long as Civil 3D can continue to be purchased "standalone" that's fine for me

neilyj (No connection with Autodesk other than using the products in the real world)
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