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## Simulation Moldflow Insight

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# No-Flow Temperature of Material

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08-14-2013 03:21 AM

Hi there,

As far as I understand Moldflow uses a fixed value for a temperature that defines the material to be in solid or melt phase and the frozen layer will be determined by this temperature. Its proper definition seems  to be crucial to determination of flow fronts and pressure predictions. So the questions arises, how does Moldflow determine this no-flow temperature and is there a way to influence it?

Thank you very much for any hint!

Rgds

(Using Moldflow Insight 2013)

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# Re: No-Flow Temperature of Material

08-22-2013 09:56 AM in reply to: MrBlub

Hi MrBlub,

I had a look and compared two types of grades according to data from material properties window.

Generic PP: semi-crystalline

Ttrans                  = 111 C

b5 (pVT)               =  388.75 K = 115.6 C

D2 (CrossWLF, Tg) = 263.15 K = -10 C

Lexan 105: amorphous

Ttrans                  = 144 C

b5 (pVT)               =  415.98 K = 142.83 C

D2 (CrossWLF, Tg) = 417.15 K = 144 C

For amorphous grades the Ttransition may be estimated by the Tg.

For semi-crystalline grades the Transition may be estimated by the Tcrystallization (Ttrans ~ Tc which is b5 from the pVT, you can query the data point on the pVT plot just when the specific vol. drops exponentionally from the melt phase to the solid phase).

However, I noticed that sometimes Trans < Tc (b5). And Tc is a dynamic property and such depends on the cooling rate.

Hope you find this useful...

kind regards, Martin

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# Re: No-Flow Temperature of Material

08-23-2013 01:45 AM in reply to: MartinCavalry

Hi,
the Transition Temperature is the temperature at which the polymer transitions from molten state to solid state.

The method used to test this is a standard method:
ASTM D3418, using DSC, Differential Scanning Calorimetry.

You can edit/modify the transition temperature of the material.
Molding material: Edit...
tab Rheological Properties

This way of manipulating material data is basically not recommended.
This might affect other material data properties or invalid data, affecting analysis results.

Regards,
Berndt

Berndt Nordh
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# Re: No-Flow Temperature of Material

08-23-2013 02:14 AM in reply to: MrBlub

Ok - so you say, in Moldflow the transition temperature of the material one finds in the 'Rheological Properties' tab equates the no-flow temperature used in the solver algorithms? I am just asking because, according to literature, some solvers also use no-flow temperatures determined from viscosity profiles.

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# Re: No-Flow Temperature of Material

08-23-2013 02:48 AM in reply to: MrBlub

Hi,
right, the Transition Temperature data field is used by flow solver when the polymer transitions from molten state to solid state takes place.

So you could use a No-Flow temperature.
Transition Temperature and No-Flow temperature basically means the same, but are measured differently.

In Moldflow words I would put it as:
1)Transition Temperature uses DSC method.
2)No-Flow uses a capillary rheometer (Autodesk Moldflow Plastics Labs has developed such a device in the past,
where you turn off the heating of barrel, to find and measure temperature when melt no longer extrudes.)

Autodesk Moldflow Plastics Labs