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DOE Builder not matching Log-File + critical dimension simulation result

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JayMuller
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DOE Builder not matching Log-File + critical dimension simulation result

 

Dear All,

 

working on a DOE with critical dimension and my fist question refers to the builder input and log-file output:

 

Input e.g. Mold surface temp : Middle 45°C Min 25°C Max 65°C

 

Output:

Variable information ...

 

  Mold surface temperature

  Range                     =   [ 298.15 : 338.15 ]

 

If I calculate 298 (first I thought could be Fahrenheit) but to Celsius its 147°C - bit too much I think.

(Screen shot added)

 

Then the critical dimension ISSUE:

 

The dimension is 20mm on CAD File in Moldflow and I want it as close as possible to this BUT I receive this:

 

Optimum on quality #12, Critical Dimension 1 / Deflection, all effects

  Calculate                 =   Distance between nodes

  Range                     =   [ 19.683 : 19.7248 ] mm

  Minimum value             =   19.683 mm

    with  41 C  as  Mold surface temperature

    with  270 C  as  Melt temperature

    with  3.6 s  as  Filling control [Injection time]

 

Why minimum???? Want maximum!

 

AND in the plot itself the coordinate system has the value 19.72 on the last 2 lines. Z-Axis shows 19.68 / 19.69 / 19.70 / 19.71 / 19.72 / 19.72

(screen shot added)

 

Many thanks in advance for your help.

 

Regards,

 

Jay

 

 

 

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Message 2 of 5
JayMuller
in reply to: JayMuller

 

Why are my last two forum post directed to my local autodesk support?

 

Would I use this here, if I want assistance by local support - no I would write an e-mail.

 

OK if they want it this way, I will comment their solutions here, too!

Message 3 of 5
JayMuller
in reply to: JayMuller

Dear ALL!!!

 

Local support fails totally!

 

I received this e-mail on 10.Mai.2014:  "Your Autodesk Support CaseNo:0956xxxx. has been received"

 

Then on 12. June 2014 I received this e-mail: " Autodesk Support CaseNo:0956xxxx. is closed."

 

Nothing in between.

 

Should that solve anything? Solving doesn't mean just to close anything you can't answer!

What should I tell my boss? "They don't give a s....! They already got their money! (???)

 

WHY AM I PAYING FOR THAT? NXT contract will be without any support at all - would be quite the same with a little less frustration.

 

Totally frustrated regards to all!

 

Jay

Message 4 of 5
Christian_Bauer
in reply to: JayMuller

Dear Jay,

 

my name is Christian and I’m a Product Support Manager here at Autodesk. I apologize for the support experience you’ve had so far. One of our product support specialists will follow up with you with an Service Request through Subscription center today, so that we can get this resolved for you as soon as possible. Please, feel free to contact us via a Subscription Center support request or right here on the forums if anything else comes up.

 

Regards

Christian



Christian Bauer
Message 5 of 5
WarpGuru
in reply to: Christian_Bauer

Hi Jay,

 

Let start from the end, the number is repeated twice on the axis of the response surface most likely due to rounding. Peculiar but possible since the grid is set to fit and the precision displayed is fixed too. The sequence could be: 19.679 / 19.688 / 19.697 / 19.706 / 19.715 / 19.724 with 0->4, the rounding goes below and 5->9 goes above. In the future, the system will need to be made smarter somehow to display a number of digits so that a minimum difference shows between markers.

 

About "minimum" / "maximum" optimum. In the DAT files (on my computer, C:\Program Files\Autodesk\Simulation Moldflow Synergy 2015\data), there is a file called doe.dat. The file is in XML format. This file controls among other things the list of qualities presented by the DOE builder. That list is dependent on the mesh type / process / sequence / analysis, for example:

 

   <process name="Thermoplastics Injection Molding" mesh="midplane" ****="Warp">
      <default_rlt_list>6250 6252 6254 6256 6258 6260</default_rlt_list>
      <criterion_group visibility_switch_tcode="10000, 612, 0, OR, 10000, 612, 1, OR, 10000, 612, 2">
        <name xml:lang="en">Deflection, all effects</name>
        <criterion id="110537" goal="minimize" weight="1.0" type="standard_deviation" component="norm">
          <name xml:lang="en">Deflection, all effects Deflection</name>
          <result id="6250"/>
          <description xml:lang="en">The Deflection, all effects Deflection result is evaluated. The goal is to minimize the variation in the deflection. The lower the deflection variation the higher the part quality.</description>
        </criterion>

 

<default_rlt_list> element controls the list of contour results (the most interesting contours are certainly the warpage deflections, it is nice to watch the part wobbling while you change the values of variable in the control panel).

<criterion_group> element is for display purpose in the DOE builder.

"visibility_switch_tcode"  attribute limits what gets displayed in the DOE builder based on your selection in the "Process Settings" of the base analysis.

<criterion> element content describes "A" quality in the DOE builder.

 

"id" attribute is a unique quality identifier in the file.

"type" attribute defines how the large amount of values related to one result are condensed into one single meaningful value; for example, how to condense the Fill time values attached to each of the model nodes into one quality value. Available processings are "minimum", "maximum", "range", "average", "standard_deviation".

"component" atribute is the necessary additional processing information required for the vector based results. The choice is either "X", "Y","Z", "norm".

 

"goal" is what you are after here to control the type of optimization result found in the log. The choice is either "minimum" or "maximum". It is only available for DOE (not Parametric) and is found by the DOE solver over an interpolated equation of the second degree (the response surface) from the processed results of each single analysis ran during the DOE analysis for that particular quality.

 

About 

  Mold surface temperature

  Range                     =   [ 298.15 : 338.15 ]

there is a missing unit conversion for the variable values. In addition, the unit should have been displayed. The unit for the values here is Kelvin and should have been converted to your unit system.

 

There is bug logged and the change should come up with the next corrective version.

 

Hope this provides some answers to your questions,

Do not hesitate to log more questions on the forum,

 

Best regards,

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