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dominik.kerimov
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Help me understand why inlet size affects the results so much

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09-04-2012 01:56 AM

So, I'm designing what is basically a water condenser i.e. humid air (steam) gets condensed into water. It consists of an inlet, condensing chamber and an outlet. On top it has cooling fins and is made of aluminium. The whole object is about 200mm in size. Steam/humid air enters through the inlet, condenses and comes out the outlet with a percentage of it as liquid.

 

When the inlet was a 20mm round hole, it performed much better than when the inlet was a wide (around 180mm) slot-like hole. I don't have the exact numbers now, but the percentage of liquid was around 15% more with the small inlet than with the large one and the outlet temperature was a lot lower. The volume flow rate, temperature and humidity of the inlet were the same on both occasions. Just the inlet size varied.

 

I tried running it with both laminar and turbulent flow and the difference was still there.

 

I can't wrap my brain around why the smaller inlet performs better even though the volume flow is the same. the only thing that I can think of is that the larger inlet also heats the base more (which doesn't have cooling fins attached).

 

Any one have ideas?

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wildej
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Re: Help me understand why inlet size affects the results so much

09-05-2012 12:06 AM in reply to: dominik.kerimov

How about the pressure drop? What does this look like when the area changes from small to large vs design 2?



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dominik.kerimov
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09-05-2012 03:58 AM in reply to: wildej

Inlet bulk pressure on small inlet is 5,629 Pa, on the large inlet it is 4,835 Pa.

 

Outlet-inlet delta Reynold's number is 69,511 for the design with the small inlet and 183,02 for the design with the large inlet.

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wildej
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09-10-2012 06:07 AM in reply to: dominik.kerimov

Is that meant to read 69.5k and 18k?



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dominik.kerimov
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09-10-2012 06:45 AM in reply to: wildej

No. I'm from Europe so the comma is there to separate the decimals. :smileyhappy:

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wildej
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09-10-2012 06:59 AM in reply to: dominik.kerimov

Ah, OK, so in both cases the Reynolds number is very small, laminar flow.

 

So, it is highly unlikely that what I initially suspected as the cause has any bearing here. I think you may be right with your initial conclusion, without being fully able to picture the scenario of course. Feel free to share some images if you are happy to

  



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dominik.kerimov
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09-10-2012 07:45 AM in reply to: wildej

I've attached 3 pictures. One is the full design so you can see the cooling fins. The other two are of the internal volume with global static pressure; one with the small inlet, one with the wide inlet. Please refer to the viewcube for the orientation (full is from above, internal volumes from below).

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wildej
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09-11-2012 07:38 AM in reply to: dominik.kerimov

I see, how are you setting this up? Is the steam modelled with a table to take into account the condensation? By the way, if there is a lot of this, we may be off with the thermal results as we cannot model 2 phase..



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dominik.kerimov
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Re: Help me understand why inlet size affects the results so much

09-11-2012 11:49 AM in reply to: wildej

The internal volume is moist air with variable environment. The cooling fins have film coefficient on them. Inlet is set up with volume flow rate, 98C temperature and humidity of 1. Outlet has just pressure.

 

For some reason, the solver didn't like temperature any higher than 98C.

 

I don't know if that is the right way to do it. The help/wiki wasn't too clear on when to use steam and when to use humd air. In any case, I didn't get steam working because the solver quits unexpectedly.

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wildej
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09-18-2012 03:01 AM in reply to: dominik.kerimov

Sounds like it should be OK, so long as this is just humid air and not steam. If steam, make the switch and run with steam (superheated) fluid. You would need to set a steam quality at the inlet and turn on steam in the physics.

 

 



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