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RobertoPALLADINO6546
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wrong load on panel

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06-13-2011 01:49 AM

Hello,

I have a problem applying  hydrostatic load on two manual meshed panels.....it is not the first time I have this problem.

 

Local axis for panel and f.e. are the same, not the load??!!!

 

Any advice??.....perhaps a bug to be solved for 2012 release??

 

 

 

Bye

Roberto

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Artur.Kosakowski
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Re: wrong load on panel

06-13-2011 01:53 AM in reply to: RobertoPALLADINO6546

Roberto send me this model please.

 



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Artur.Kosakowski
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Re: wrong load on panel

06-13-2011 02:52 AM in reply to: RobertoPALLADINO6546

Roberto,

 

I have used the Local (panel) system orientation dialog to set the right orientation of both local X (0,0,1) and Z axis for the vertical 'wall' of the structure to make sure the load is correctly applied.

 

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RobertoPALLADINO6546
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Re: wrong load on panel

06-13-2011 04:59 AM in reply to: RobertoPALLADINO6546

Artur,

 

many thanks for your reply.

You have to consider that me too have used the dialog set to orient the panel in direction 0,0,1 but sometimes, apparently without any reason, axis exchange their local direction with strange behaviour on hydro load (sometimes different behaviour before and after calculation)

The two added images are taken from your correct model......I think you can agree with me that it is a little strange.

 

Take in mind that with other more complex models (generated with copy and paste option from more Robot session at the same time) I had to fight a lot to have exactly the correct axis and load direction, and you well known the amount of hours I spent with Robot..... I'm sure you can understand that in my honest opinion this is a problem that need to be solved in the next version.

 

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Roberto

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Artur.Kosakowski
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Re: wrong load on panel

06-13-2011 05:12 AM in reply to: RobertoPALLADINO6546

Roberto,

 

There is nothing wrong with both displays you shown. You simply compare two set of information. If you display local axis of surface elements without displaying local axis of panels you see the directions of surface elements as generated during meshing (in such case the direction of the local X axes of a particular surface element is governed by order in which its nodes have been created). If you display both elements and panels local axis, the prior are shown in the way they are set for model calculations (direction of the local X axes of a panel is used to set the directions of each of element of the mesh generated for this panel). In fact display of local axis of surface elements only is of limited use for Robot users and they should display both attributes at the same time.

I hope this clarifies this issue.

 

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RobertoPALLADINO6546
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Re: wrong load on panel

06-13-2011 05:39 AM in reply to: Artur.Kosakowski

Artur,

ok for the clarification, but consider that even if I use the dialog set to re-orient the vertical part of the model according to 0,0,1 vector (for x axes, because z is ok) I have not the correct load direction for those two panel.....what exactly have you done (step by step) please??

 

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Roberto

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Artur.Kosakowski
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Re: wrong load on panel

06-13-2011 06:12 AM in reply to: RobertoPALLADINO6546

Roberto,

 

1. Select panels 1 and 2 (the ones with the opposite load directions)

2. Set their local X axis directions as 0,0,1

3. Select panels 1 and 2 again and run local mesh generation for these panels

4. Change load case selection from case 2 to case 1 and to case 2 again to refresh the display

 

In case you need further help with your case create a service request using the subscription site.

 

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RobertoPALLADINO6546
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Re: wrong load on panel

06-13-2011 06:50 AM in reply to: RobertoPALLADINO6546

Ok Artur,

many thanks

 

Bye

Roberto

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mgaafar
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Re: wrong load on panel

05-31-2012 01:09 PM in reply to: RobertoPALLADINO6546

Hi I am having a very strange problem with load direction on panels using hydrostatic load(in MATERIAL UPSET load case, LC 9). the load is applied properly and is properly shown. after running it switched the direction if i press on the "show load value description". also I do not know why the local axis of the generated finite element is different than that of the panel, I think they should be the same.

attached are the files showing my problem..please help!!

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pp2008
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Re: wrong load on panel

06-01-2012 09:27 AM in reply to: mgaafar

The reason of strange effects you observed was opposite local Z direction for panel 594 than for finite elements contained in it - see the screen capture below:local_Z.png

 

The source of it was in panel slightly non-planar (twisted). After correcting it and remeshing the panels local Z directions are coherent. The effect you observed concerning the display and application of hydrostatic loads is not observed too. Attached corrected model.

 

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Pawel Pulak
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