Joist Extentions in plan view

[Anonymous]

How do I get my joist extentions to show up in plan view. I have a K series joist with a 2'-4" extention on each end. In the section and elevation views, the extentions show up, but when I am in plan view, the joist lines stop at the girder. I am in coarse graphic style when this is happening.

[Anonymous]

Hi
Please post your family file for the joist so we can take a look.

Regards
Anthony
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How do I get my joist extentions to show up in plan view. I have a K series
joist with a 2'-4" extention on each end. In the section and elevation
views, the extentions show up, but when I am in plan view, the joist lines
stop at the girder. I am in coarse graphic style when this is happening.

[Anonymous]

The family file for this joist is the default joist family that is installed with revit structure. I think my problem is with the coarse view in the family, but I cannot find anywhere that I can change what shows up in coarse view.

[Anonymous]

I found out one way to get these joists to display with the extensions shown in plan when I am in coarse view. You have to edit the joist family, add a model line at each end and lock that line to the seat length and end extension reference lines. The only issue I have now is that there is a gap in the joist between the standard joist designation line and the extension line. Most likely this is due to the joist line setback.

[Anonymous]

I think the problem is the beam families have analytical lines, stick lines,
and detail lines. The analytical lines have to meet at joints to correctly
export structural geometry. The stick lines seem to default to the behavior
of the analytical lines, but this is not always desirable for drafting
reasons. The stick lines should relate to the detail lines and not the
analytical lines. It's a royal pain going through the drawings trying to
force the stick lines to look correct.

Arthur
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wrote in message news:5608025@discussion.autodesk.com...
How do I get my joist extentions to show up in plan view. I have a K series
joist with a 2'-4" extention on each end. In the section and elevation
views, the extentions show up, but when I am in plan view, the joist lines
stop at the girder. I am in coarse graphic style when this is happening.

[davidosborne]

Same problem here. I can only see the extensions by changing the view detail to medium, which does not look good for plotting purposes.
I've changed view settings and edited everything I could find with no luck. The only thing left seems to be to add a model line on the framing plan. Somehow this doesn't feel.........' Revity'
Is this a revit issue or have I missed some hopefully simple solution?

[Anonymous]

you can open the family and in the family highlight the top chord right click and go to the element properties then go to the visibility/graphics override and edit. in the edit settings go to the detail levels and check coarse. that should do it.

good luck

[rsoni]

Is any one found solution of this?

[mwoods]

My quick trick for this was to edit the joist family.
Add Model lines from the back end of the seat to the end of extension.
Locking the ends of the model lines to the reference planes.
Make the model lines only visble in course view.

Then under family types add 2 lines:
Start Extension Plan Visible
End Extension Plan Visible
See attach screen capture of what I added

The set the visiblity of the model lines to be controlled by these yes/no controls.

When an extension is added the line becomes visible and works as you would expect.
When the extension is 0" the are hidden.

[jjenkins]

So the workflow of the proposed solution is something like this:
Edit the joist family in the project so the extensions are visible.
Engineer changes joist size, load new size from library which overwrites edited version.
Edit the joist family in the project so the extensions are visible.
Get wise - Edit the joist family in the library so the extensions are visible.
New version of Revit comes out, repeat above workflow.
Question: When it's an obvious problem with an obvious fix, why doesn't Autodesk do it?

[mwoods]

I am sure they may in the next release.
Last time this kind of topic came up here and on Augi the item appeared in the next release of revit as part of the stock families.

I added joist girder here in 2008 when they were not available.
They all of a sudden showed up in 2009 release of revit...... Edited by: mwoods@csengr.com on Jul 16, 2009 9:32 AM

[NathanSchuette5776]

I think I understand all of this except for the part about "locking the ends of the model lines to the reference planes".

I have added a model line at each end of the joist family from beginning of the seat to the end.(4"?) I set it to coarse view and added the parameters to the family type. However, when I use the family in my model the extension lines are not showing up in coarse plan views.

Could you explain the model line part in more detail?

Thanks

[mwoods]

I extend the end in the family editor.
Drew my model line as Structural Framing [projection]
Locked the end points to the reference plane at the extended end and the base of the seat.

Doing this make the line always 4 inches long when the extension length is set to 0"
I set visibility to course only for this model line.

In element properties set the Graphics visible to you new visibility control created in family types.

[brendonclark]

Revit 2012 still does the same thing. Is their an easier way than editing each family yet?

[brendonclark]

No?

[anielson]

problem still here in Revit 2017...