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Transfer Room Names to MEP

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Message 1 of 18
lsop1409
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Transfer Room Names to MEP

Hi

 

I have an Architects model linked into my MEP model. The Architect hasused Room Tags to tag the rooms in their model. Can these be displayed in my MEP model, or do I need to recreate.

I have tried all of the usual VG modifications to the linked file etc.

How are people adding room names to their MEP models, it would be good if I can move the room names around to avoid my services when producing views on a sheet.

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Message 2 of 18
whitbrs
in reply to: lsop1409

There are two ways to do this:

1. Tag the rooms! Yep, you can tag elements in linked files. This way your room names stay current with the Architects and you get to choose what and how and where you display those tags. Same data, just looking the way you want.

2. A bit of a longer method, but one that many MEP users opt for: Create spaces in your model. It's great for doing conceptual analysis, and what's more, set up right, you can then tag the spaces in your model. There is a tool for subscription users (Revit MEP Space Naming Utility) so that the space names match the architectural or change the tag to read the room names.

You can get the architectural information through into your view by manipulating VG, but you would have to know what view in the linked file to specify, and put up with the location / size / style of the tag.
HTH


Simon Whitbread

Premium Account Support Specialist BIM, Revit
Message 3 of 18
CoreyDaun
in reply to: lsop1409

You have two approaches to choose from:

 

#1 - You can tag elements that belong to a linked model, so you should be able to load in the architect's Room Tag family and then directly tag each of the Rooms. You can even use the "Tag All Not Tagged" tool to accomplish this; just make sure that the "include elements from linked files" option is enabled.

 

#2 - You could create HVAC Spaces, which you may be using in your MEP Model anyway. When a Space is placed in the same location as a Room, it will associate with it (select your link and go to Type Properties to make sure that the "Room Bounding" option is enabled). There is an free Add-In called Space Naming Utility that is available for free in the Autodesk Subscription Center that will help you keep the Space Names/Numbers up to date with the Rooms in the Linked Model. Also, you could have your Space Tag (you will have to recreate the Arch's Room Tag) report the "Room Name/Number" in lieu of the "Space Name/Number".

 

Depending on how in-depth you use Revit, #2 might be the recommended choice. An example I can give to support #2 is that if you are using Panel Schedules, those are only capable of reporting the Panel's Space, and cannot reference the Room Name/Number parameters, so you would have to use Spaces for this to report any data. (A work-around to this is to create a Shared Parameter (Text), add it as a Project Parameter, substitute this one for Location in your Panel Schedule, and rely on manual entry for the panel's location.)

 

D'oh! Simon beat me to the punch!

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Message 4 of 18
lsop1409
in reply to: whitbrs

Thanks Gents,

 

I have used method no1 as this suits my needs at this time, but i will need method No2 in the future.

I have now modified the standard room tag to suit my own styles/sizes etc and added this to the model via the Tag All method described, which is exactly what I was looking for.

Message 5 of 18
Alfredo_Medina
in reply to: lsop1409

Interesting. You got two excellent responses, and in both of them, option # 1 and option # 2 were referring to the same features. What a happy coincidence.

 

By the way, welcome to the forum, Simon! Nice to see you here.

 

For those of you who don't know yet, Simon Whitbread is co-author of the Master Revit MEP book series, and the autor of the video tutorials of Infinite Skills, on MEP and Families.


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Message 6 of 18
whitbrs
in reply to: CoreyDaun

Wow! That's scarey!

Almost identical answers from different continents minutes apart - I think it's the MEP in us. I only beat you to the punch because I wrote less 🙂



Simon Whitbread

Premium Account Support Specialist BIM, Revit
Message 7 of 18
Alfredo_Medina
in reply to: lsop1409

By the way, there is an option somewhat "in between" option 1 and option 2 :

 

Option # 1.5: Make spaces, tag the spaces, modify the space tag so that instead of using the name property of the space, it works with the name property of the rooms.

 

However, I agree, the most recommended method is Option # 2, because there are some spaces that need to be accounted for HVAC that are not rooms in the architectural model (plenum spaces and sliver spaces). So, it is recommended that you create your own spaces and your own names for those spaces, some of them with the help of the Naming Utility.


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Message 8 of 18
CoreyDaun
in reply to: Alfredo_Medina


Alfredo_Medina wrote:

"By the way, there is an option somewhat "in between" option 1 and option 2 :

 

Option # 1.5: Make spaces, tag the spaces, modify the space tag so that instead of using the name property of the space, it works with the name property of the rooms..."


Yep, which is the method we primarily use in the small MEP office. I actually did kinda sneak that bit on the end on my #2. Smiley Wink

 


CADastrophe wrote:

"#2 - You could... <fast-forward>... Also, you could have your Space Tag (you will have to recreate the Arch's Room Tag) report the "Room Name/Number" in lieu of the "Space Name/Number"."


 

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Message 9 of 18
Alfredo_Medina
in reply to: lsop1409

Ah, OK, I missed that. So it was literally option # 1.5, at the end of option # 1. 🙂

 


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Message 10 of 18
Mehdi.Kardehi
in reply to: CoreyDaun

This is very odd that space naming utility is only available to subscription users!! it has to be embedded into Revit by Autodesk.
Message 11 of 18
lsop1409
in reply to: CoreyDaun

Does anyone know how to modify a room tag to rotate clockwise?

I have a main plan view and have created 3 dependant views to place onto sheets, splitting the floor into 3 sections.

I need to rotate the views 90deg anti-clockwise to place onto the sheets, this places the room tags in the 'vertical position'.

I then only have the options to rotate the tag 'horizontal', 'vertical', or 'model', vertical rotating the tag 90deg anti-clockwise also, having the effect of displaying the room tag upside down on the sheet. If I could rotate 90deg clockwise this would resolve the issue.

When looking at the tag family I cannot see how any rotation parameters etc have been added.

Any ideas how I would go about acheiving this?

Message 12 of 18
Alfredo_Medina
in reply to: lsop1409

Instead of rotating the viewport on the sheet, rotate the crop region in the view. No need to do anything to the room tags.


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Licensed Architect (Florida) | Freelance Instructor | Autodesk Expert Elite (on Revit) | Profile on Linkedin
Message 13 of 18
jkarben
in reply to: Alfredo_Medina

Option #3

 

Set the host view to reference a view in the linked model that has room names and numbers. No need for spaces or insertion/management of room or space tags. 

 

VV > Revit Links > RVT Link Display Setting and choose an appropriate view.

 

Revit Links.JPG

 

Select Custom settings if you need to further edit the linked view. In Annotations you may want to turn off all items except for Room Names and Grids. That'll get rid of dimensions, notes, etc.. Once your Revit Link view is set you won't have to mess with it again. Create a "background" view template that only "Includes" the V/G Overrides RVT Links category and you can use that to quickly set other views.

 

 

Message 14 of 18
lsop1409
in reply to: Alfredo_Medina

Exactly what I was after, thankyou.
Message 15 of 18
Alfredo_Medina
in reply to: jkarben

Problem with option #3 is that is not convenient for MEP people, because the room tags of the architect get always in the way of the MEP fixtures, and since the tags are in the link, the tags cannot be moved. Plus, as we had said before, making the spaces provides other benefits for MEP work.


Alfredo Medina _________________________________________________________________ ______
Licensed Architect (Florida) | Freelance Instructor | Autodesk Expert Elite (on Revit) | Profile on Linkedin
Message 16 of 18
whitbrs
in reply to: jkarben

If it works for you, great, it's a good alternative. It doesn't unfortunately address one of the concerns from the OP...

 

"it would be good if I can move the room names around to avoid my services when producing views on a sheet."

 

Theres nothing more annoying in a drawing than someone else's notes getting in the way. The ability to Tag All means you're not spending a lot of time getting the information you want onto the sheet.



Simon Whitbread

Premium Account Support Specialist BIM, Revit
Message 17 of 18
jkarben
in reply to: lsop1409

Right right with option #3 you're not able to move room tags. Checking and changing the text in the architects tags to transparent goes along way in minimzing the impact of the annoying overlap. Throw in halftoning and even better. 

 

Option #3 is not the be all end all but it's quick and takes no additional management when changes come.

 

 

Message 18 of 18
MicG
in reply to: lsop1409

Hi,

 

in addition to the really good solutions you got already I would like to point out a #3 option.

You have been more or less on the right way by trying to get the tags visible by VG-Overrides for the linked file.

 

You need to set checkbox to "by linked view" and select the Architects view (see Screenshot) which will result in having the exact same representation of the underlay as the architect views on it.

If you only want to have the tags displayed set checkbox to custom, select the same architects view and turn on and of whatever you want to see.

 

If there are any questions feel free to ask again.



Michael Göhring
Senior Technical Sales Specialist AEC

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