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*Andre Gawlik
Message 1 of 19 (329 Views)

Systems typical Workflow

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06-24-2006 11:12 AM

Hi everyone,

 

Just wondering, because it is not quite clearly
explained in Revit Systems manuals - what is the right way of working with
building model, i.e.:

 

1.    Open building model in Revit
systems and work on it (how do you apply template settings - mechanical and
electrical settings)

 

2.    Create new project and insert
link to the building model (in this case I get double elevations and problems
with plans' visibility)

 

3.    Other.

 

 

I've been working with Building Systems up until
now and we thinking about giving a go to Revit Systems however, we used to get
either 2D architectural layouts which we import as xrefs ad lay services at the
right elevations or 3D models (either ACIS or ADT) for structural
coordination.

 

 

I tried to create systems using option 1 and found
that all the setting were wrong (mechanical specs), and had to spend quite a lot
of time loading all families into the model. When I tried to insert link to the
building into Revit Systems I can have limited options of controlling object
visibility - very confused and frustrated right now.

 

 

Any info will be much appreciated.

 

 

Andre Gawlik
*David Haynes - Ideate
Message 2 of 19 (329 Views)

Re: Systems typical Workflow

06-25-2006 09:26 PM in reply to: *Andre Gawlik

Number 2 is the correct answer.  It is the way
that Revit Structure works also.

To handle your visibility issue:

1.  Select your linked building
model.

2.  Right Mouse Click>View
Properties

3.  Visibility>Select

4.  Select the Revit Links tab

5.  You know get to control how you see
it.

 

Here is video (done for Revit Structure), but shows
the same steps for Revit Systems.

Hope this helps.  Hang in there, Revit Systems
is great.

 

David Haynes

Ideate, Inc.


 


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Hi everyone,

 

Just wondering, because it is not quite clearly
explained in Revit Systems manuals - what is the right way of working with
building model, i.e.:

 

1.    Open building model in Revit
systems and work on it (how do you apply template settings - mechanical and
electrical settings)

 

2.    Create new project and
insert link to the building model (in this case I get double elevations and
problems with plans' visibility)

 

3.    Other.

 

 

I've been working with Building Systems up until
now and we thinking about giving a go to Revit Systems however, we used to get
either 2D architectural layouts which we import as xrefs ad lay services at
the right elevations or 3D models (either ACIS or ADT) for structural
coordination.

 

 

I tried to create systems using option 1 and
found that all the setting were wrong (mechanical specs), and had to spend
quite a lot of time loading all families into the model. When I tried to
insert link to the building into Revit Systems I can have limited options of
controlling object visibility - very confused and frustrated right
now.

 

 

Any info will be much appreciated.

 

 

Andre
Gawlik
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martin.schmid
Posts: 1,297
Registered: ‎11-16-2005
Message 3 of 19 (329 Views)

Re: Systems typical Workflow

06-26-2006 05:48 AM in reply to: *Andre Gawlik
There are a couple of different workflows that can be used:

1. Work in the same building model as the Architect. This works in an A/E firm, or where the project participants are co-located. If the architect started by using a Revit Building template, you are at a loss for Systems specific views... use the Transfer Project Standards...function on the File menu to bring in the necessary settings. Then, create your own views (for M, E, P, etc...) and use the Apply View Template... function on the View menu. If you are an A/E firm, you should define a project template that contains the necessary Standards for all disciplines that is used to start projects.

Note: If you are working on a copy of the architect's model (i.e., not-colocated), and you start designing, then they send you an update, you are up a creek... which leads to workflow 2.

2. Link the architect's model into a new model based on your standard template. This is the general workflow to take when the Architect is a separate entity from the MEP. Use Copy/Monitor to 'link' the Levels and Phases to the Architect's, and use Copy Rooms inside Copy/Monitor to have 'local' copies of the rooms that will respond to updates in the Architect's link, as well as to the placement of devices.

In either case, you will be using Mechanical and Electrical discipline specific views (defined in View Properties), which automatically screen architectural elements. You may have to do as David suggests and turn off some individual view categories, such as furniture if not necessary, or whatever else.

HTH,
Martin Schmid, P.E.
Project Consultant


Martin Schmid, P.E.
Product Manager - Revit MEP
Architecture, Engineering, and Construction
Autodesk, Inc.

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andre.gawlik
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Registered: ‎06-26-2006
Message 4 of 19 (329 Views)

Re: Systems typical Workflow

06-26-2006 06:08 AM in reply to: *Andre Gawlik
Hi Martin,

Thanks for your guidelines - this makes the whole process clearer.

Can you kindly explain how to create rooms for space and energy analysis (we use IES Virtual Environment to calculate loads) - when I tried to link model and then create rooms the automatic room recognition doesn't work (it seems that revit systems cant recognize walls when the building is inserted as a link)

Any info much appreciated


Kind regards

Andre Gawlik
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Message 5 of 19 (329 Views)

Re: Systems typical Workflow

06-26-2006 06:10 AM in reply to: *Andre Gawlik
Thanks David,

Your Video is most helpful


Kind regards

Andre Gawlik
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martin.schmid
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Message 6 of 19 (329 Views)

Re: Systems typical Workflow

06-26-2006 06:15 AM in reply to: *Andre Gawlik
Sorry... I don't have any experience with IES VE yet. If it can read a gbXML file, you could export the Revit model to gbXML, then you may be able to import that into VE for analysis.

As indicated in my previous post, when linking models, you need to use the copy/monitor functionality to copy the rooms from the linked file into the host file. Once the rooms are copied, you use room tags as you normally would... you DON'T use the room tool to define the rooms, because they've already been defined!

HTH,
Martin Schmid, P.E.
Project Consultant


Martin Schmid, P.E.
Product Manager - Revit MEP
Architecture, Engineering, and Construction
Autodesk, Inc.

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andre.gawlik
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Registered: ‎06-26-2006
Message 7 of 19 (329 Views)

Re: Systems typical Workflow

06-26-2006 06:26 AM in reply to: *Andre Gawlik
Thanks,

That makes it whole lot clear



Andre Gawlik


PS

Will Autodesk be doing any web casts regarding Revit Systems or is it still to early ?
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KyleB_Autodesk
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Registered: ‎10-21-2005
Message 8 of 19 (329 Views)

Re: Systems typical Workflow

06-26-2006 08:49 AM in reply to: *Andre Gawlik
I wanted to point out a couple things as part of Martin's last explanation. The workflow using the copy/monitor functionality involves two steps that need to be completed before the "Copy Rooms" routine can be run.

The first step is to copy the levels from the linked RB model. You can easily do this by selecting an elevation view and entering Copy/Monitor mode. You then select the linked levels using the Copy option.

The second step is to coordinate the phases between the linked RB model and the RSY model. You can do this from the Copy/Monitor Options dialog, which you can access from Options within Copy/Monitor mode, see attached image. You want to make sure that your phases are coordinated. This is because rooms in the linked RB model are associated with phases in that model. In order to bring those rooms into your RSY model, you need to tell Revit what phase to place the rooms in for the new RSY model.

Once you've done these steps, the Room should be copied in using the Copy Rooms routine.

I hope that gets you off on the right foot.

Cheers,
Kyle B
RSY Product Support


Kyle Bernhardt
Product Line Manager
Revit Services
Autodesk, Inc.

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Message 9 of 19 (329 Views)

Re: Systems typical Workflow

06-26-2006 04:52 PM in reply to: *Andre Gawlik
With copy/monitored rooms is it possible to further breakdown the architects rooms in RS?

Eg: Architect defines a room "services" which we want to divied into areas for Elect, UPS, Data.

Would this be done in the RS model or would it need to be done in the Architects Building?
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Message 10 of 19 (329 Views)

Re: Systems typical Workflow

06-26-2006 04:56 PM in reply to: *Andre Gawlik
What is your intent on subdividing the room? Do you want to number it with different numbers, i.e., 104a, 104b, 104c? Do you want to be able to get the square footage of each area individually? What would be the benefit of subdividing the room in the model?

Martin Schmid, P.E.
Autodesk Consulting


Martin Schmid, P.E.
Product Manager - Revit MEP
Architecture, Engineering, and Construction
Autodesk, Inc.

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