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Round Duct TAP Takeoff Length

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08-21-2012 09:29 AM

What determines this length?  It seems to get larger with the larger duct size, but it is not formulated in the family.

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Re: Round Duct TAP Takeoff Length

08-21-2012 09:34 AM in reply to: asommer

Also, If I put a value to the "Takeoff Fixed Length", It does not change.  I am seeing the parameter formula, and it should override the "Takeoff Length".  It is not doing so.

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Re: Round Duct TAP Takeoff Length

08-23-2012 04:14 PM in reply to: asommer

I took a look at the family Round Takeoff.rfa, in the US Imperial\Duct\Fittings\Round\Taps folder, and found three parameters for length:

Takeoff Length Projection

Takeoff Length

Takeoff Fixed Length

 

The first two parameters can be manually adjusted, but the third has the following formula:

if(Duct Diameter > 1'  4", Duct Diameter * 0.25, 0'  4")

 

I am not clear which length you are referring to, when you say "What determines this length".

 

If you are referring to the "Takeoff Length" parameter, then this value is specified in family, and you can setup separate values in different Family Types.

 

Note: I placed several instances of the Round Takeoff family into a new project with different types specified with different duct diameter, and I found the width of the element was not changed (it was always equal to the sum of the Takeoff Length Projection and the Takeoff Length parameters).



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Re: Round Duct TAP Takeoff Length

08-24-2012 09:15 AM in reply to: asommer

Funny, I don't have any formula for Takeoff Fixed Length...

 

The only thing that "Manually" Changes the length is the Takeoff Length.  I see a formula under "Length", but even this does nothing to control the actual Length of the Tap.  If I do not override the "Takeoff Length", the tap gets longer when the duct radius gets larger, however there is no formula controling this.  It is probably internal, based on an ashrae table, I just wanted verification that that was true.

 

It's just funny there is 4 parameters for length but none does anything to control it.

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Re: Round Duct TAP Takeoff Length

08-27-2012 03:42 PM in reply to: asommer

It sounds like you are looking at a different family.

What is the name of the family file that you are working with (and did it come with the imperial library, or did you download if from somewhere else)? Also what version of Revit is it coming from?



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Re: Round Duct TAP Takeoff Length

08-29-2012 10:57 AM in reply to: asommer

The family is "Round Duct Takeoff".  Now that you mention it, i looked in the 2012 OOTB families, I guess it is different.  The 2012 "Round Takeoff" has the same parameters, but doesn't change size at all. it remains 4" long no matter what diameter the duct is.  I guess you are supposed to manually go in and apply the "Takeoff Fixed Length" parameter to the "Takeoff Length"?

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