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Message 1 of 16
Anonymous
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Revit Systems Training?

Has anyone found training on the web or a training center? If so have you tried the training or heard any feedback?
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Message 2 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I haven't seen anyplace yet, but, I'd bet dollars to donuts there'll be some
good classes on it at Autodesk University.
http://www.autodeskevents.com/au2006/

--
Melanie Perry
***not all who wander are lost***
http://mistressofthedorkness.blogspot.com/


wrote in message news:5246711@discussion.autodesk.com...
Has anyone found training on the web or a training center? If so have you
tried the training or heard any feedback?
Message 3 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

AU is by far the best source and value for education and mixing with other revit users that there is available. If anyone out there hasn't gone to AU before, do it, it is the best bang for the buck. That said, it is still over 4 months before AU.

I've heard before, not to order the first release of an Autodesk product, but I figured since Revit is so much better than other Autodesk products, this would be different, but ya live and learn.

Autodesk and especially our retailers who have had the product for months should have had people and materials ready to train those purchasing the first release BEFORE it was released.

I'm not saying I haven't learned some of the product and can see there is value in it, I am just saying that I've talked management into this purchase and I can't honestly say that I could use it on my next project and have it be profitable.

When I came back from AU a couple of years ago, I was totally sold on Revit Building and purchased it within a week of returning. I did use it on my very next project and did it faster and better than I could have using Arch Desktop (which I was teaching at the time). I don't feel the same about Revit Building Systems. To me It's not as intuitive as Revit Building. It's like Autodesk was more involved in it's development than the Factory.

I honestly feel that my retailer has dropped the ball on pushing a product that they aren't prepared to support.

There, now I feel better. Still don't feel comfortable with Revit Systems, but at least I feel better that maybe someone for Autodesk, retailers or the Factory has heard a concern.
Message 4 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

ooh, alright, I apologize then. I answered assuming you're evaluting the
product and thinking of buying it. yep, if you've already got it, then
training 4 months from now isn't quite what you're needing.

Good luck.

--
Melanie Perry
***not all who wander are lost***
http://mistressofthedorkness.blogspot.com/


wrote in message news:5247287@discussion.autodesk.com...
AU is by far the best source and value for education and mixing with other
revit users that there is available. If anyone out there hasn't gone to AU
before, do it, it is the best bang for the buck. That said, it is still
over 4 months before AU.

I've heard before, not to order the first release of an Autodesk product,
but I figured since Revit is so much better than other Autodesk products,
this would be different, but ya live and learn.

Autodesk and especially our retailers who have had the product for months
should have had people and materials ready to train those purchasing the
first release BEFORE it was released.

I'm not saying I haven't learned some of the product and can see there is
value in it, I am just saying that I've talked management into this purchase
and I can't honestly say that I could use it on my next project and have it
be profitable.

When I came back from AU a couple of years ago, I was totally sold on Revit
Building and purchased it within a week of returning. I did use it on my
very next project and did it faster and better than I could have using Arch
Desktop (which I was teaching at the time). I don't feel the same about
Revit Building Systems. To me It's not as intuitive as Revit Building.
It's like Autodesk was more involved in it's development than the Factory.

I honestly feel that my retailer has dropped the ball on pushing a product
that they aren't prepared to support.

There, now I feel better. Still don't feel comfortable with Revit Systems,
but at least I feel better that maybe someone for Autodesk, retailers or the
Factory has heard a concern.
Message 5 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

You can consider Autodesk Consulting. They probably have the most experienced trainer(s) available for the near short term.

Keep in mind that the focus for this release of RSys is to generate engineering calculations. If these processes are not your normal routine then they will seem foreign naturally. I assume since you use RB that you are not a mech engineer etc.

I find the application behaves as much as I might expect it to as a Revit application. I do find that my lack of experience in MEP design makes it a bit harder to approach.
Message 6 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Hi Griff -

I cannot comment on the ability of your reseller to provide adequate Revit
Systems training because 1) I don't know who they are and 2) I don't know
if they have any training on Revit Systems. It is quite possible that your
best bet for training at this point may be Autodesk Consulting.

I know that some of our consulting staff has been responsible for training
many or our internal AE's as well as possibly some of the resellers (or at
least providing the content for their training), and they are potentially
the most qualified people to provide end user training as well. I'm a bit
hesitant to post their email addresses without permission, but if you want
to send me an email at jason dot martin at Autodesk dot com I would be more
than happy to forward your message to them (and this holds true for anyone
interested in Revit Systems training).

I would like to address one of the comments that you made in your previous
post...
"To me It's not as intuitive as Revit Building."

OK, so Revit Systems as a R1 product isn't as intuitive as Revit Building
was as an R6-7-8 product when you started using it. Ya know what, I
completely agree. Unfortunately the only way to improve "intuativeness" is
with feedback from the users who are desiging ME&P systems. We need specific
feedback on what you consider to be intuitive and not-intuitive. I would be
more than happy to discuss your perceptions of Revit Systems with your
(again, this apply's to anyone williing to reply either to the news groups
or to me) perceptions of what works and what doen't work are important.
Please let us know if you would like someone from the product development
team to contact you.

tia

jason

wrote in message news:5247287@discussion.autodesk.com...
AU is by far the best source and value for education and mixing with other
revit users that there is available. If anyone out there hasn't gone to AU
before, do it, it is the best bang for the buck. That said, it is still
over 4 months before AU.

I've heard before, not to order the first release of an Autodesk product,
but I figured since Revit is so much better than other Autodesk products,
this would be different, but ya live and learn.

Autodesk and especially our retailers who have had the product for months
should have had people and materials ready to train those purchasing the
first release BEFORE it was released.

I'm not saying I haven't learned some of the product and can see there is
value in it, I am just saying that I've talked management into this purchase
and I can't honestly say that I could use it on my next project and have it
be profitable.

When I came back from AU a couple of years ago, I was totally sold on Revit
Building and purchased it within a week of returning. I did use it on my
very next project and did it faster and better than I could have using Arch
Desktop (which I was teaching at the time). I don't feel the same about
Revit Building Systems. To me It's not as intuitive as Revit Building.
It's like Autodesk was more involved in it's development than the Factory.

I honestly feel that my retailer has dropped the ball on pushing a product
that they aren't prepared to support.

There, now I feel better. Still don't feel comfortable with Revit Systems,
but at least I feel better that maybe someone for Autodesk, retailers or the
Factory has heard a concern.
Message 7 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Jason,
You and Steve both bring up a good point. This is a first release of the product and I shouldn't expect it to flow as smooth as Revit Building did, since it had already gone through several releases when I started using it.

Also Steve brought up another good point is that I'm an Architectural Designer and not a mechanical engineer so Revit Building would naturally be easier for me. Although I have in the past done quite a bit of mechanical work.

My main point is that a major reseller like Imaginit has had the product for months in beta form and should have had people ready for training. I just received in the mail today Imaginets training catalog and there is not one Revit Systems course offered at any of their training centers. Like a car salesman, they seem to be there for the sale and then they sail away. Having training on a first release of a product is to me more important than training on new release features. Other than the discussion groups (which is still limited because we are all trying to learn something new) there is no other place to get info on a new release product except the limited help file.

I appreciate that you and autodesk want the feedback on what would make this product better and easier to use. These discussion groups are a great place to post those and interact with other users and Autodesk. I will continue to post suggestions and hopefully some are valid and get implemented.

I'm not familiar with Autodesk Consulting and I'm not sure if it is a valid option for a small group like ours, but I'll email you and look into it. Thanks to you and Steve for the suggestion.
Message 8 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Griff, not to drive anyone away, because I point traffic in both directions,
but just a reminder to anyone reading that AUGI.com also has a Revit Systems
forum now. The Revit community is very active over there, and while there
aren't that many Systems users yet, there are questions being posted and
answered on that site, too. 🙂

--
Melanie Perry
***not all who wander are lost***
http://mistressofthedorkness.blogspot.com/

wrote in message news:5248871@discussion.autodesk.com...


I appreciate that you and autodesk want the feedback on what would make this
product better and easier to use. These discussion groups are a great place
to post those and interact with other users and Autodesk. I will continue
to post suggestions and hopefully some are valid and get implemented.
Message 9 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

In all fairness to IMAGINiT or any other reseller, there is no training
material available. Also, Autodesk does not give resellers beta software
long in advance, dont want them to hold sales for future releases. Now being
a ex-imaginit trainer, there are a few with Revit Systems knowledge to train
the software on IMAGINiT's staff. I would call your local rep and ask. There
might not be a published class but if there is enough response, they might
create one.

Where are you located?


wrote in message news:5248871@discussion.autodesk.com...
Jason,
You and Steve both bring up a good point. This is a first release of the
product and I shouldn't expect it to flow as smooth as Revit Building did,
since it had already gone through several releases when I started using it.

Also Steve brought up another good point is that I'm an Architectural
Designer and not a mechanical engineer so Revit Building would naturally be
easier for me. Although I have in the past done quite a bit of mechanical
work.

My main point is that a major reseller like Imaginit has had the product for
months in beta form and should have had people ready for training. I just
received in the mail today Imaginets training catalog and there is not one
Revit Systems course offered at any of their training centers. Like a car
salesman, they seem to be there for the sale and then they sail away.
Having training on a first release of a product is to me more important than
training on new release features. Other than the discussion groups (which
is still limited because we are all trying to learn something new) there is
no other place to get info on a new release product except the limited help
file.

I appreciate that you and autodesk want the feedback on what would make this
product better and easier to use. These discussion groups are a great place
to post those and interact with other users and Autodesk. I will continue
to post suggestions and hopefully some are valid and get implemented.

I'm not familiar with Autodesk Consulting and I'm not sure if it is a valid
option for a small group like ours, but I'll email you and look into it.
Thanks to you and Steve for the suggestion. Message was edited by: tmaleski
Message 10 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

You say there is no training material available? So if they offer a class there won't be any material to follow? Who is responsible for training material? In my opinion whoever it is, should have that available BEFORE a release of the product. I may not be the brightest candle in the room but doesn't that just make since?

If Autodesk doesn't give the reseller's the software early enough to allow our reseller's to be trained and feel comfortable training others, then there is a break in the system.

I'm in Idaho (the other I state). Our reseller is out of Salt Lake, Ut.
Message 11 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Training material (or Help files for that matter) takes time to write. It cannot be completely written prior to release because features are not always in the same form they were in prior to release. In some cases the features are not even in a condition to study until a short time before beta.

Such material must be written by an expert in the software who is also accomplished in the field the software supports. There is always a lag between the release of software and the related books, training documents and classes.

I realize that it might seem rather straightforward, do this , do this, done... sort of thing but it isn't.
Message 12 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Sorry if I've been ranting over this, everything went so smooth jumping into Revit Building (of course time has a way of making that seem easier also). I just have to go to management over this and I know they are going to ask some of the same questions I ask.
Message 13 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I'm actually training my M and E departments this week on Revit Systems. I
sugest you print out the tutorial and go over that with your group. I first
wanted them to go thru on their own but unless thay are forced they would
never. So far it's going good.

--
Thomas E. Maleski
Revit Technology Advisor
Autodesk Implementation Certified Expert

Revit Building 9
Revit Structure 3
Revit Systems

Architectural Desktop
Building Systems
wrote in message news:5249706@discussion.autodesk.com...
Sorry if I've been ranting over this, everything went so smooth jumping into
Revit Building (of course time has a way of making that seem easier also).
I just have to go to management over this and I know they are going to ask
some of the same questions I ask.
Message 14 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Hi, Bryan Cowles here.
I am an AE from IMAGINiT Salt Lake City, and I have just recently recieved courseware from Autodesk (barely released last week or so)for Revit Systems. I am currently in the process of reviewing the text and trying to formulate a schedule for a fundamental Revit Systems class.

As was discussed earlier in this thread, we didn't recieve any beta software before our clients and we recieved our copy of the software at about the time the software was released, so in order to provide adequate training, you will need to give the resellers some time to become acquainted with the product.
Hopefully I'll see you in my class, once it becomes available, but for now, check out the tutorials.

Bryan Cowles
BSD AE- IMAGINiT Technologies
Salt Lake City, UT
Message 15 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Griff, Sorry to have missed your posts till now, as we too would be interested in assisting you with training on this product. We are based in Chicago and Dallas, but we routinely travel nationwide and even internationally to provide implementation solutions for our clients.

We actually created the AOTC courseware for this initial release of Systems with Autodesk, and have the inside track perhaps on the software's current limitations as well as enhancements in store for the next release.

Feel free to contact me at marc dot meyers at eng-eff dot com if you'd like to talk.
Message 16 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

That's exactly why I write my own material. 🙂

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