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Revit Roundtable last night

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Anonymous
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Revit Roundtable last night

Hello, I'm just looking for to the gentleman who attended the Revit
Roundtable last night in St. Louis.

I wanted to introduce myself after the event, but, my husband and I had to
leave before the conversations wrapped up.

~waving~ Hi! one thing I was curious about too was whether or not you're a
member of the local users group here? ( www.gatewayaug.com ?)

--
Melanie Perry
***not all who wander are lost***
http://mistressofthedorkness.blogspot.com/
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Message 21 of 23
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

DAVID, sorry bout that, typing faster than i think.....

I too would like to see an all encompassing Revit so Revit would cover 3d
Bim Cad/Drafting/engineering and Autocad and ADT based products cover their
group.


"david" wrote in message
news:5266348@discussion.autodesk.com...
Thanks Patrick....just don't call me Melanie anymore and everything will be
fine 😞

I'd venture to say that AutoDesk is missing the boat on this one. Revit is
making in-roads across North America, but my guess is that sales would be
boosted tremendously if Revit were packaged as a single Building, Structure,
MEP package. A lot of architectural firms are holding back to see what
happens...not wanting to be on the bleeding edge of technology and so still
struggling with ACAD/ADT. And even if architects start converting to Revit
en masse, the Structurals and MEPs are going to be 3 to 5 years behind at
best. BIM was intended to de-bug the process - fragmenting arguably the best
BIM package isn't benefiting the end user, the reseller, nor Autodesk's
bottom line.

IMHO
--
David Ford


"Patrick Porter" wrote in message
news:5266306@discussion.autodesk.com...
Well Melanie, for the most part the architectural content has been easily
available from either Autodesk website or places like revit city, as they is
a "simpler" (and i say that loosly) connection between the architectural
components, though duct and pipe fittings you may find modeled on the web,
were for those without revit systems, so when a systems user downloads these
parts they will quickly realize they are just puzzle pieces to give the
"appearance" they were looking for but wont be true revit systems components
with connectors for duct or pipe and wont get calculated into your flow
calcs.

Now the site/structural tools being missing was a BIG dissapointment
especially considering instructions on using these tools appear all in the
help files, yet when you try and follow you see simply that these tools dont
exist on the pulldowns or they are greyed out....(Im still trying to figure
that one out) if we cant use it then remove it dont tease.... so to make up
for the lack of structural and site tools we picked up a copy of Revit
structure. So far this seemed to be the best combination.



"david" wrote in message
news:5266237@discussion.autodesk.com...
It is a point well taken Steve. And I'd have to agree that it'd be difficult
to work without the site tools....unless everything you do is to be situated
on a pancake-flat piece of property.

That being said...is one truly able to download from the web ALL that is
missing (site and structural tools inclusive) as Patrick found possible?

--
David Ford


wrote in message news:5266159@discussion.autodesk.com...
Just trying to prevent the general perception that it is equal to Revit
Building out of the box since it isn't and you have to make additional
effort to get the missing content. Not saying that it isn't possible, just
more work. I suppose a smaller price than paying for the additional
software. Most architects will miss the site tools just as much as the
structural features, even if there is more to be desired for the site tools.
Message 22 of 23
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

hehehe. take it as a compliment, David. 😉

anyway... I somewhat agree on having all of the capabilities in a single
product... 😉 but, that may be a little self-serving, as I work in
Facilities Management, and if I wanted a fully functioning BIM then I'd
probably want every feature/capability, etc possible.

see also... http://discussion.autodesk.com/thread.jspa?threadID=489008 in
the FMdesktop forum.

--
Melanie Perry
***not all who wander are lost***
http://mistressofthedorkness.blogspot.com/

"Patrick Porter" wrote in message
news:5266430@discussion.autodesk.com...
DAVID, sorry bout that, typing faster than i think.....

I too would like to see an all encompassing Revit so Revit would cover 3d
Bim Cad/Drafting/engineering and Autocad and ADT based products cover their
group.


"david" wrote in message
news:5266348@discussion.autodesk.com...
Thanks Patrick....just don't call me Melanie anymore and everything will be
fine 😞

I'd venture to say that AutoDesk is missing the boat on this one. Revit is
making in-roads across North America, but my guess is that sales would be
boosted tremendously if Revit were packaged as a single Building, Structure,
MEP package. A lot of architectural firms are holding back to see what
happens...not wanting to be on the bleeding edge of technology and so still
struggling with ACAD/ADT. And even if architects start converting to Revit
en masse, the Structurals and MEPs are going to be 3 to 5 years behind at
best. BIM was intended to de-bug the process - fragmenting arguably the best
BIM package isn't benefiting the end user, the reseller, nor Autodesk's
bottom line.

IMHO
--
David Ford


"Patrick Porter" wrote in message
news:5266306@discussion.autodesk.com...
Well Melanie, for the most part the architectural content has been easily
available from either Autodesk website or places like revit city, as they is
a "simpler" (and i say that loosly) connection between the architectural
components, though duct and pipe fittings you may find modeled on the web,
were for those without revit systems, so when a systems user downloads these
parts they will quickly realize they are just puzzle pieces to give the
"appearance" they were looking for but wont be true revit systems components
with connectors for duct or pipe and wont get calculated into your flow
calcs.

Now the site/structural tools being missing was a BIG dissapointment
especially considering instructions on using these tools appear all in the
help files, yet when you try and follow you see simply that these tools dont
exist on the pulldowns or they are greyed out....(Im still trying to figure
that one out) if we cant use it then remove it dont tease.... so to make up
for the lack of structural and site tools we picked up a copy of Revit
structure. So far this seemed to be the best combination.



"david" wrote in message
news:5266237@discussion.autodesk.com...
It is a point well taken Steve. And I'd have to agree that it'd be difficult
to work without the site tools....unless everything you do is to be situated
on a pancake-flat piece of property.

That being said...is one truly able to download from the web ALL that is
missing (site and structural tools inclusive) as Patrick found possible?

--
David Ford


wrote in message news:5266159@discussion.autodesk.com...
Just trying to prevent the general perception that it is equal to Revit
Building out of the box since it isn't and you have to make additional
effort to get the missing content. Not saying that it isn't possible, just
more work. I suppose a smaller price than paying for the additional
software. Most architects will miss the site tools just as much as the
structural features, even if there is more to be desired for the site tools.
Message 23 of 23
Steve_Stafford
in reply to: Anonymous

Downloading the 30 day trial and installing as Patrick said will put all the content on your PC.

One other thing.

If all three versions are the "same" code with switches turning on/off to make each product then there is probably little risk to trying to use Systems instead of Building for architecture.

If the code is separate for each flavor then there may be subtle code snippets that are not part of Systems that need to be in order to completely use various elements. Much as we cannot run duct in Building but we can see it....

Rooms having 3D volume is available to Building because it was "necessary" to have it in Systems. So there are things built on top of the versions as a result of the primary need of one. Primary is subjective eh?

Don't know if they'd actually tell us which it is... 8-)

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