Since it seems that it is a better fit for engineers. Is it possible for drafters to learn this program? Many times drafters are asked to help do the drafting and design for engineers. Would it make since for a drafter to learn Revit MEP? And if the drafter should learn to use Revit, how much MEP knowledge should he/she need to know in order to successfully implement Revit MEP?
I was just checking out the Broutek web site and the have some very detailed families. I have to question the need for such a level of detail on objects such as VAV boxes, rooftop air handlers, etc. In my conversations with the architects we work with on Revit projects, they aren't concerned about what our families look like as long as they represent the basic size and shape of the object. When they show their client renderings of their model (with ours linked in), they want the attention to be on their work, not the MEP objects. So yes, they look cool, but are they necessary? Just something to think about.
I have only created a few families, as I needed them. For example, I have created a couple of families from the Hartzell fan catalog--just three series of fans. And, when I do create a family, I usually just create the types I think I will need in the near future.
To create a family for less than it costs to buy one, I say that you would have to be able to do so in 2 hours. I can create some simple odds and ends in less than an hour. But, a more complex model with many types might take me two days, or even two weeks.
Any way you look at it, adding content is expensive.
That's a loaded question; for most you can roll that into the project
budget. Call the manuf get their selections and make a block out of
them. Granted the process got a whole lot slower with ABS/MEP but you
could always fake it with a 2d block if need be in ABS/MEP.
The point was that there is very little to build upon or use as a
starter to these families we need to create with Revit. Heck, im still
confused as to what family type to start with most times when i need to
create a new family.
though MEP is designed around the design process and the engineering it really depends on your company as to your first question. in our firm the CAD Operators are in charge of all drawing standards and therefore have been put in charge of learning the program and creating our office Revit standards then teaching it to the designers and engineers. As for how much MEP knowledge is needed that also depends on your intent. Overall I think that a basic knowledge of design is enough to get you started, we have many in our office who have never worked in this industry, with them it takes a little longer to grasp it, It really depends on your Office and how the work flow fits best.
Would you say that it would be good for the CAD operators and company to move towards Revit? The reason being that everything is going towards 3D/BIM. Also, how beneficial or successful is Revit when implementing into BIM? A lot of projects that I've seen implemented into projects that are 3D are mainly blocks.
Revit is the future so moving towards it would be yes. The biggest problem is most Architects that have been using Revit Arch really want full blown Revit MEP Models now, which isn't always the easiest thing to accomplish. Revit is nothing like ACAD and will take time and money to learn. Your best bet is to get one license and one good machine and one person take control of learning and creating procedures for your office for Revit. Then teach others. If your company can handle the cost and have the availability of professional training that's a good place to start also.
Revit has many design features which is why you can't think about this as ACAD, it functions very differently. The benefit of Revit is that when family internals are created correctly (and that doesn't mean that they will have every nut and bolt located) they will have within the family many components that are needed for analysis. Allowing for scheduling, system analysis at any point along the system, flow rates, pressure drops, voltage. Making them more than just a 3D placeholder.
Thanks for the information. My company is thinking about going that route, its just that we are unsure of how to go about it and don't really know how much investment and time is needed. Again, thank you for your inputs, this gives me a better idea of what I should do and how our company can move forward.
I read these, and the first thing that comes to mind about any software is, you will always have those who like it and those who do not. It has taken Autodesk 25+ years to get AutoCAD where it is today, constantly improving the product for use. With Revit, it has been around for less then half of that time. CD's are changing daily and packages are getting larger with information to help reduce RFI's. No matter what program you use, you have to master it ONE STEP AT A TIME.
Sure our first project may not have been as profitable, but I can honestly say that the projects we are working on now are. Want to know our secret? We do not waste time on what product is better. Our first project was morphed with both CAD and Revit drawings.
It does take time to understand how to create families but there are so many resources out there and many many more companies are creating content for us to download. Even if we put this on Autodesk, someone will complain about how the generic model was not built correctly. There millions upon millions of families that could be created. How many do you use?
Revit is not all there but you can figure out a work around to get what you need to produce CD's. I know when Revit does come out year after year and the software has improved, we will be way ahead of the game.