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jpreister
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Annotation​/Symbols not showing in plan

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08-02-2011 09:37 AM
07-17-2009 04:21 AM
I have created new families as face based, as ceiling and wall based families don't work on linked architects' models. When creating these new families, the annotation symbols I used before, will no longer work on the vertical faces. Is there something I need to do to the symbol for it to show in plan when on a vertical wall?

I'm sure it can be done, as the default duplex socket families seem to work this way, so I've created all sockets with this symbol and adapted. There's nothing I can see in these families that I can see is different. It's getting extremely frustrating as I'm drawing these families over and over on different templates.
This was copied from a thread from back in 2009, which goes on to say there is no fix to the problem.
To reiterate, I can't get an annotative family to show up in plan view for any wall hosted light fixtures. Right now, I just have detail lines drawn in the light fixture family, but that does not adjust to different scales.
Is there still no fix to this problem?
 
Thanks in advance for any help.
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Re: Annotation​/Symbols not showing in plan

08-02-2011 11:48 AM in reply to: jpreister

This is an issue that seems to persist even to the mighty Revit 2012. For [wall] face based light fixtures, annotation symbols do not display. And yes, specifically those in families from the Lighting Fixtures family. You can verify this by editing the family of one of those receptacles, changing it to a lighting fixture, reloading it and watching it vanish before your very eyes.

 

All of base fixtures I create employ an embedded Detail Item, as you mentioned - most of these are show at true size anyway. Now for devices that require a scalable annotation symbol, such as exit signs, I was forces to make them as floor or ceiling face based directionally.

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Re: Annotation​/Symbols not showing in plan

08-02-2011 01:30 PM in reply to: jpreister

In some families (usually Wall Hosted Light Fixtures), the Symbol shows up in plan when placed in the "Front" view in the family.

I would try that if you have not already. 



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Re: Annotation​/Symbols not showing in plan

08-02-2011 01:41 PM in reply to: Chris.Aquino

I thought that might work when I was originally creating the families, but when I tried to insert the annotation symbol into the front view, I received a "Warning: Can't create this kind of element in this view in the current mode." message. Detail Items can be inserted into this view, but not generic annotations. Those can only be placed parallel to the Ref. Level, still true in 2012.

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Re: Annotation​/Symbols not showing in plan

08-02-2011 03:59 PM in reply to: CADastrophe

Good catch. Forgot to specify the type of symbol (symbolic/model line vs.. Nested annotation symbol family)



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Re: Annotation​/Symbols not showing in plan

08-03-2011 05:30 AM in reply to: Chris.Aquino

Symbolic Lines placed in the front/back view will definitely show up on floor plans and ceiling plans. However, these symbols are not annotative and do not have a size based off of the scale of the current view.

 

Our company specifically needs certain fixtures (exit signs and battery EM lights) to be annotative in this manner. We often create small scale plans for life safety drawings and if we have a building at a smaller scale than 1/16th, there is no prayer of making out the symbol. I even tried changing the devices to Generic Models, but that category behaves the same way, so I faked them as Lighting Devices, which failed for scheduling.

 

We once created subcategories for common scales within the embedded Detail Item annotation so we could manually control their size. Worked, but it was cumbersome.

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Re: Annotation​/Symbols not showing in plan

08-03-2011 06:19 AM in reply to: jpreister

Have you got your families available to look at?

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08-03-2011 06:41 AM in reply to: julianjameson8403

Sure. I have three families of exit signs (all based on our company standard), Top-Bracket (for ceilings), End-Bracket (walls), Rear-Bracket (walls). Attached is the Rear-Bracket family as an example, as it is populated with Shared Parameters. It's a bit over-detailed, but does the job well.

 

BTW - It has been converted to Revit 2012.

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Re: Annotation​/Symbols not showing in plan

08-03-2011 06:52 AM in reply to: jpreister

Thanks CADastrophe - llok forward to looking at them. Was actually meaning though for jpriester to upload as was just thinking of a things causing the problem but wanted to see the family before commenting.

 

Was thinking it may be way family was created as wall lights (sconces) should be built differently to normal fittings so that annotation symbols can be shown in plan.

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Re: Annotation​/Symbols not showing in plan

08-08-2011 11:33 AM in reply to: julianjameson8403

Thanks everyone for their input. Sorry I didn't respond sooner, but I was having issues logging in. Attached is a wall mounted exit light that just has detail lines drawn in the back elevation to represent our symbol for an exit light. Unfortunately, it is not annotative, and from what I read cannot be.

 

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