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Re: Revit Backwards Compatibility

01-12-2012 05:24 PM in reply to: bobmayflower

So lets work together to get those that you work with onto the latest release.  Thats part of what I do.  You can contact me through Private Message here on the forums and we can start dialog on what might be the best way to get those that you work with out of the past and into the latest release...which may just be 2013 by the time we get this going.  We are here to help you.  We do listen to our customers.  But the best path is to move forward...not backwards.  By the way, I assume you are in North America?



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Message 12 of 45 (1,975 Views)

Re: Revit Backwards Compatibility

01-13-2012 05:53 AM in reply to: bobmayflower

I understand your frustration, but Revit is not built in a way that would make backwards compatibility practical.  As a workaround, since all you're working with are families, and not entire projects, you should be able to export your files to either IFC or .dwg and re-import into a previous version, if it's really that important to you.  My guess is that anyone who would want to use your kitchen equipment families (i.e. architects, MEP engineers), and who is also using Revit, is using the latest version, or at least one release prior to the latest version.

 

If the most current version is 2012, you should probably be building your families in 2011, then upgrading them to 2012, and make both versions available.  Very few, if any, companies using Revit are still working in 2010 (or earlier versions).  As a pure family-maker (and not project file maker), you won't see as many benefits in each new release as those of us who use the program to develop entire projects.

 

Hope that helps.

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Message 13 of 45 (1,969 Views)

Re: Revit Backwards Compatibility

01-13-2012 06:12 AM in reply to: rosskirby

rosskirby wrote:

 As a pure family-maker (and not project file maker), you won't see as many benefits in each new release as those of us who use the program to develop entire projects.

 


I think this comment is accurate.  If you are authoring content and NOT creating buildings, there is very little difference in the family editor from 2011 and 2012.  I can't think of ANY enhancements that significantly impacted the family editor from 2011 to 2012.  If you are working on only content you will not see any benifit authoring you content in 2011 rather then 2012.  I would author your content in 2011 and provide those files to your customers, and then I would upgrade all of the files and also provide the content in 2012 format for your customers.

 

Autodesk SUPPORTS use of software 3 versions back so to be completly safe you might want to provide 3 release year versions of your content.  If a user is further back than 3 years on software understand they are NOT supported by Autodesk so I would suspect the number of customers you might have in this situation is fairly small.

 

I do undstand the request to support backward compatibility of files but this iis not somthing that has been supported in the history of Revit.  This is something the user must understand when making the decision to work on the Revit platform.  If backwards compatibility is important in your work, you may want to look into another software solution until (if ever) this situation changes for Revit.



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Message 14 of 45 (1,958 Views)

Re: Revit Backwards Compatibility

01-13-2012 07:39 AM in reply to: davissc

Hi Scott,

Is there a utility that would automate that process?  Or does it have to be done manually? 

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Re: Revit Backwards Compatibility

01-13-2012 08:15 AM in reply to: loboarch

Hi Jeff,

 

I appreciate everyone’s comments.  From my perspective it seems that there is a huge opportunity for future versions of Revit in the area of specialty equipment.  Only in the past few years has Revit even come on the radar of foodservice equipment manufacturers, (keep in mind this is AutoCAD, Inventor, Pro-E, and SolidWorks territory not Architectural). 

 

My advice to Autodesk:

I would look at the possibility of creating either a more robust family editor, or maybe even a hybrid product that’s a cross between Inventor and Revit.

 

Look at the size of the foodservice industry alone, the number of companies involved, and you may agree that there’s an opportunity here.  On the kitchen design side there are still a large majority using 2D AutoCAD.  Look for ways to tear down the barriers that keep users out of latest version Revit.  I hope you will find some of this helpful. 

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Re: Revit Backwards Compatibility

01-13-2012 08:27 AM in reply to: bobmayflower

Just out of curiosity, what kind of features would you be looking for in the family editor that aren't already there?  Better modeling, easier parameters, etc.?

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Re: Revit Backwards Compatibility

01-13-2012 09:32 AM in reply to: rosskirby

I’ll talk to some of the other people I work with, and put together a wish list.

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Re: Revit Backwards Compatibility

01-13-2012 09:37 AM in reply to: davissc

If you get your list together you can submit it here:

 

http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?siteID=123112&id=1109794

 

This feedback goes to the Revit team and is logged as whishlist items.  These items are considered as Revit is developed.  Feedback sent in via this form is more "official" than posting a wishlist here and will be seen by the people making decisions for future development.



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Message 19 of 45 (1,888 Views)

Re: Revit Backwards Compatibility

01-17-2012 12:01 PM in reply to: davissc

davissc wrote:

There are no plans to make Revit backwards compatible.  Why would you not upgrade to 2012?  If its consultants, why would they not upgrade?  It's total craziness to NOT be using the latest release.  2013 products are coming soon...then you will be 2 releases behind. 


In 15 years of dealing with Autodesk, this is the typical response i have received. It isn't the fault of Revit that it can't export to older versions, it's "your fault" and "your consultants" fault for not having the latest software. This is a NON-ANSWER.  It is insulting to their own customers.  It is unprofessional.  The working world can not always demand their consultants purchase (or upgrade) software.  Often, the client requires particular format restrictions.  I have been told by Autodesk to have my client upgrade their software.  The client is NOT directed by the consultants.

 

Autodesk needs to train their staff that this is NEVER an appropriate answer.  A software company does not TELL an architect to upgrade, nor does it TELL a client/consultant/end-user to upgrade if they want to use their product.  If the software is unable to meet the request (i.e. backwards compatibility, etc) then answer the question as such.  Offer possible solutions (i.e. building families in earliest version and upgrade them to the appropriate version as needed).  But to make fiscal decisions for third-parties is the height of arrogance.

 

This is one (of the MANY) reasons why my company will not (ever) use Revit.  For BIM, I would rather face the unfamiliar terrain of Bentley (or any other software) before I used Revit.

 

IMHO - My $0.02

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Message 20 of 45 (1,876 Views)

Re: Revit Backwards Compatibility

01-17-2012 07:08 PM in reply to: rhouse

Here, here.. but Autodesk has heard this all before, a thousand times, and they clearly don't care. Autodesk is a publicly owned company with a lot of mouths to feed and as such it's primary allegiance seems to be to Wall Street - therefore the only thing that will ever get their attention is if everyone stops upgrading, which is unlikely. They have a business model that is profitable and unitl it isn't profitable anymore, nothing is going to change.

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