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ToanDN
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Problem copying fixture in certain types of ceiling.

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02-27-2014 11:18 PM

Revit Architecture 2013/2014

 

I cannot copy any ceiling hosted fixture in any types of ceiling other than the ACT types.  It always gives the infamous "Can't cut instance(s) of [fixture] out of its host." then places the copied instance on the same spot as the original, at best.  Create similar and mirror still work, though.

 

Upon study, I found the lack of a surface pattern on the finish material is most likely the culprit.  Hence, I do have some workarounds to oversome this problem based on that finding.

 

Does anyone else have this problem?  Is so, is there any official fix?

 

 

Thanks,

 

-Toan.

 

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subhra_civil
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Re: Problem copying fixture in certain types of ceiling.

02-28-2014 12:00 AM in reply to: ToanDN

Hi,

 

Can you send your file pls????

 

Thanks & regards,

Subhradeep Sen

India

Kolkata

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ToanDN
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Re: Problem copying fixture in certain types of ceiling.

02-28-2014 12:42 PM in reply to: ToanDN
I don't have Revit right now but you can try with any out of the box GWB or Generic ceilings.
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Re: Problem copying fixture in certain types of ceiling.

02-28-2014 12:50 PM in reply to: ToanDN

It sounds as if the family is set to automatically cut the ceiling, and when you apply it to a ceiling that does have thickness, it works, but if you try to put in a ceiling whose type is "plain" it doesn't work because that type doesn't have thickness.

 

More specific information about the family or ceiling types involved, would help.

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ToanDN
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Re: Problem copying fixture in certain types of ceiling.

02-28-2014 09:14 PM in reply to: Alfredo_Medina

Thanks for answering but I don't think your assumption is accurate.  The GWB ceiling has thickness as well.  As I already mentioned, placing component directly, mirroring, and creating similar work normally.  Only the copy command does not work.

 

Please see the attached.  Everything is OOTB.

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Re: Problem copying fixture in certain types of ceiling.

03-02-2014 08:41 AM in reply to: ToanDN

It is strange, but those ceiling entities in this project are corrupted. I tested all other possible reasons, and could not find anything wrong. But for some reason those ceilings are not being recognized as a valid host for an architectural supply diffuser family. I deleted the ceilings and made them again, without doing any other changes, and now all the fixtures can be placed and copied without any problem.

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Re: Problem copying fixture in certain types of ceiling.

03-02-2014 02:04 PM in reply to: Alfredo_Medina

I could not replicate how you fix it.  Would you post the file?  Thanks.

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Re: Problem copying fixture in certain types of ceiling.

03-02-2014 02:06 PM in reply to: ToanDN

I simply deleted the ceilings and made them again with automatic sketch, then I put the air terminals again, and everything worked as normal. Sorry I didn't save it. Please try that and let us know if that works.

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Re: Problem copying fixture in certain types of ceiling.

03-02-2014 02:19 PM in reply to: Alfredo_Medina

That was exactly what I have just tried. It did not work for any ceiling hosted components, not just the diffuser. Practically, it is not a huge problem for me because I have workarounds for it, and/or use other creation methods. But for other folks in my office, who are very accustomed to AutoCAD operation, it annoys them very much.

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Re: Problem copying fixture in certain types of ceiling.

03-02-2014 03:17 PM in reply to: ToanDN

Attached is a file that I created from scratch. Please try to copy the fixtures in the gypsum board ceiling.

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