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jandrews407
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Re: Printing scale. 100% is not 100%

11-05-2012 11:46 AM in reply to: ChrisBriley

Did you ever resolve this?  We are having the same issue with horizontal dimensions.

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atbattson
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Re: Printing scale. 100% is not 100%

11-05-2012 12:28 PM in reply to: jandrews407
Not really. The response from AutoDesk was not the best. But the outcome was, no you cannot effect the printed output from Revit like you can with AutoCAD. The suggestions for percentages does not help. The problem is not proportionally even. The only output I could get what I wanted is to export the drawing from Revit to CAD and print it out on my Calibrate plot PC3 file. A lot of work for a basic need. The response I got from AutoDesk was rather defensive, smacked of denial, definite rejection of the need and generally not helpful, so I assume that nothing will change to fix this issue as I see it. Hope that helps at least explain where it stands. Alastair. This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are NOT the intended recipient, please notify the sender promptly by return e-mail and delete this message and any attachments. Wilson Butler Architects Inc. disclaims any liability or obligation arising from the unintended or improper use of any attachments, as well as from any electronic viruses, and any recipient using this message or any attachment for other than their proper and intended purpose releases Wilson Butler Architects Inc. from any claim of damage arising from such use. Certain attachments are copyrighted instruments of service of Wilson Butler Architects Inc and governed and protected by the laws of the United States and by the current edition of the AIA B141 Owner Architect Agreement.
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jandrews407
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Re: Printing scale. 100% is not 100%

11-06-2012 04:55 AM in reply to: jandrews407

That's not realy a solution, it's a work around.  Not a very good one at that!

 

Thanks for responding.

 

Jon

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kwhite
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Message 14 of 17 (674 Views)

Re: Printing scale. 100% is not 100%

11-06-2012 09:53 AM in reply to: ChrisBriley

Chris - I have been using Revit for a number of years now (7+), after having used AutoCAD for 14+ years before that.  I remember my frustration when trying to set everything up for my office and the differences between Revit setup options and AutoCAD setup options, so I feel your pain.  However, through all of the setup work and production years thereafter, I have never experienced an issue with Revit creating plots that were not 100% to scale and accurate based on the settings that I used in my page setup(s).  

 

Regarding your issues, are you printing directly to the printer/plotter, or are you creating files such as PDFs, DWFs, and etc. that you then submit to the printer separately?  I personally have always created PDFs or DWFs that I then send to the printer/plotter and these files are always 100% spot on unless I made a mistake in the options I chose.  I also have to say that I have a rectangle around my "sheet" and this has never been a problem for me because I always print to 100% and center the sheet when printing full size sheets.  The plotter however may shift the sheet a little due to the limitations of the hardware as mentioned in the previous posts, but I am ok with one or two of the "Sheet" lines being truncated as long as the remainder of the sheet is correct.  I also chose to keep the paper boundary so that plotting software and viewing software do not shift the graphics when viewing the sheet.

 

If you are creating PDFs or DWFs, I recommend that you open the files and use one of the available measuring tools within them to see if the digital files are being created at the correct scale/size.  If these files are scaling correct in the digital file, then the problem must be between the print file creation and the printed paper output which will have to be either in some computer setting or printer setting or hardware limitation.  

 

Also, throughout the previous posts, i don't recall seeing if the problem was with the whole sheet or only with view port scaling.  There is a very big difference between the two issues.  Whole sheet scaling issues are one thing, but having viewports not scale correctly is another and very big deal in my opinion.

 

Lastly, I saw one of the previous posts mention an Oce plotter.  I have been using an Oce plotter (TDS 600) for the entire time that I have been using Revit.  I don't beleive that I ever remember getting errors and definitely not the percentage error results that you mentioned in your posts.  The only issues that I have had with the oce plotter, was with text shifting within a DWF file which was caused by the Oce software (Publisher/Client Tools) interpreting text incorrectly when a width factor other than 1 was used, and very thin lines being washed out (until Oce published an updated set of tools).

 

I am interested to see your responses to the comments/questions above.  I hope you get this resolved because any time you do not trust the output of your software, you are in for continuous stress without relief.

 

I have also attached a screen capture of a typical print setup for me.

 

Keith White

 

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heterarch
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Re: Printing scale. 100% is not 100%

06-06-2013 08:58 AM in reply to: kwhite

This is an interesting thread to find..  I was actually trying to find an explanation for why Revit prints so much more accurately than AutoCAD did, in terms of its communication with the printer, or its inherent software coding..  Was surprised to find people complaining that they were having problems.  I work for a limestone fabricator, where I have to print 1:1 patterns for use in cutting the real stone to better than 1/16th accuracy, and have thus far not had any problems.  Whereas with AutoCAD we used to have to go through that whole calibration setup and make sure every pattern was printed using that setup, with Revit, it's just print and go..  

 

So again, not to fly in the face of those having problems here, what I actually would like to know is what is the difference between AutoCAD and Revit that makes Revit print so much more accurately?

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atbattson
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Message 16 of 17 (485 Views)

Re: Printing scale. 100% is not 100%

06-06-2013 03:08 PM in reply to: heterarch
So far as I know, Revit is no better at printing accurately. All Revit does
is send the print direct to the print driver. I imagine when AutoCAD was
written there was a greater use of measuring and relying on printed
drawings. Printers were also not very good at accuracy in the past as well.
Both of those factors lead to the additional calibration .pc3 files with
CAD.

I would guess there were other factors as to why your AutoCAD files would
print badly in the past. But I do not know.

The benefit of AutoCAD?s calibration was that you were able to compensate
for printer deficiencies and inaccuracies that you could not fix in a
printer calibration. We have a black and white OCE laser and its prints
across the width are off slightly. We have been told by OCE we cannot fix
that slight difference. AutoCAD calibration allows CAD prints to be
adjusted to compensate.

I make physical ?real? models at the office I work at. I use print outs to
make parts by hand on machines. We use prints from color lasers, color
inkjet plotters, black and white plotters. All are a little different. The
AutoCAD calibration helped to get the 3 prints the same, or close.

A few times in office I have worked in, we had a laser printer that was a ?
of an inch off compared to the HP color plotter. That leaves large gaps in
models that are unacceptable.

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Re: Printing scale. 100% is not 100%

06-03-2014 11:53 AM in reply to: ChrisBriley

I hope the answer to this question had been addressed since 2008.  I recently purchased the Revit LT and I'm prepping for a meeting with a Client tomorrow.  I noticed that I am getting my drawings printing at different scale, depending on whether I use ANSI C or oversized ANSI C and both are not even the correct scale!


ChrisBriley wrote:

I've seen this question asked a few times in the group and there is no answer as yet.  I'm trying to print a 24x36 sheet.  when 100% zoom is selected (in both places, setup AND properties) It prints out with a slightly reduced scale so that on large dimensions it's quite noticeable.  At quarter scale 26'-0" = 25'-6".  

 

I had a meeting with a client who brings her own scale to meetings and suffered embarrassment when I had to tell her I still can't plot to scale yet with my new software.  "Sounds like your new software isnt very good."  she said.  Right now I have to agree.  

 

What gives?


I hope the answer to this question had been addressed since 2008.  I recently purchased the Revit LT and I'm prepping for a meeting with a Client tomorrow.  I noticed that I am getting my drawings printing at different scale, depending on whether I use ANSI C or oversized ANSI C and both are not even the correct scale!

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