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kathryn.langan
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Multiple Scales on a Sheet: "As Indicated"

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07-05-2011 07:20 AM

I had a user ask whether it was possible to modify the "As Indicated" note that appears on a Sheet if there are multiple scales present.

 

This Scale parameter value is hard coded and cannot be modified.

 

If it is necessary to have the text display something else, a Shared Parameter could be added and the notes entered manually. You could have two different title blocks - one for set scales and one for multiple so you only manually enter the information into those detail sheets.

 

If anyone else handles this differently, feel free to update the thread!

 



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aksaks
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Re: Multiple Scales on a Sheet: "As Indicated"

11-10-2011 07:03 AM in reply to: kathryn.langan

I beg your pardon, but hard coding anything that involves composition is a gross error. The user needs to be in control of all composition. Ask your own graphic desginers what they would say about not having the ability to control letter case. There needs to be user control of what this text parameter evaluates to without having to resort to alternative methods.

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loboarch
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Re: Multiple Scales on a Sheet: "As Indicated"

11-11-2011 12:38 PM in reply to: aksaks

aksaks wrote:

I beg your pardon, but hard coding anything that involves composition is a gross error. The user needs to be in control of all composition. Ask your own graphic desginers what they would say about not having the ability to control letter case. There needs to be user control of what this text parameter evaluates to without having to resort to alternative methods.


The shared parameter solution offered is the way the user can control what is displayed.  The "scale" parameter associated with sheets is something defined at the system level.  If all views on a sheet are the same scale the value will resolve with the scale the view/views use.  If the views have different values it changes to "as indicated".  By controling this at the system level it prevents coordination errors from occuring.

 

If you need control over this value you just add a shared parmeter to the sheet and remove the "scale" label and replace it with a label that reads the shared parameter.  This way the user will have full control over the value.

 

http://wikihelp.autodesk.com/Revit/enu/2012/Help/Revit_User's_Guide/2654-Tools_an2654/2872-Paramete2...

 

This link has a series of videos on making a custom title block.  The 3rd video specifically covers adding shared parameters to a titleblock.

 

http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?siteID=123112&id=13945669 



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anselmus
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Message 4 of 12 (3,511 Views)

Re: Multiple Scales on a Sheet: "As Indicated"

11-13-2011 10:49 AM in reply to: kathryn.langan

My solution was to create the shared parameter to the sheet, and then, in the titleblock family, add a label to display this parameter, and, paramaters to toggle the visibility of either the automatic scale value or the shared parameter.

 

My problem with the "As indicated" value is that our working language is not English. Is there anywhere I can go and change the text to substitute it with an appropriate message in my own language? These occasional English messages (together with the question marks in tags for missing parameters) look rather unprofessional.

 

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jesser
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Re: Multiple Scales on a Sheet: "As Indicated"

08-15-2012 10:21 AM in reply to: kathryn.langan

I've read posts and past posts regarding this issue and there are a few legitimate reasons for graphic control over this item.  I am questioning the lower case of the text.  If the majority of the users of this program have uppercase text why is the default lower case.  Until this is explained why this cannot be corrected, it will be a problem.  Why not change the case to upper case?  Is this a hard thing to acheive?  It should have been defaulted to upper case anyways.  I agree with the hard coding, minus the case and language issues.

 

Thanks,

Jesse

 

 

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CADastrophe
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Message 6 of 12 (3,221 Views)

Re: Multiple Scales on a Sheet: "As Indicated"

08-15-2012 10:40 AM in reply to: jesser

No matter what they do, it will be wrong to many people somewhere, unless it is user-controlled. I think that they should incorporate a project setting similar to the "SPARE" label for electrical panel schedules in Revit MEP. There is a simple setting, as per the image below.

 

SpareSpaceLabel.JPG

 

 

Also...


kathryn.langan wrote:

"If it is necessary to have the text display something else, a Shared Parameter could be added and the notes entered manually. You could have two different title blocks - one for set scales and one for multiple so you only manually enter the information into those detail sheets."


 To expand on the original message, there is no need to create separate title blocks. One merely has to create two "Yes/No" instance parameters that control the labels' Visibility. They should be inversely controlled, and the formula for the second parameter should be: " =not(first parameter) ". This has worked well for us.

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AndyT_RCA
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Re: Multiple Scales on a Sheet: "As Indicated"

07-03-2013 05:03 AM in reply to: kathryn.langan

Hi all,

 

I'm using Revit structures 2014, Is there a way to remove the scale from a view, namely a legend. I have been trying to use a legend for text notes eg. slab notes, steelwork treatment etc. but when I insert it onto a sheet (with a plan already inserted) it shows as scale 1:1 and makes the sheet scale parameter 'As Indicated'.

Is there a way to get rid of the 1:1 standard scale from the legend so that the sheet scale remains at the scale of the plan?

 

Hope that makes sense

 

Cheers

Andrew

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aksaks
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Re: Multiple Scales on a Sheet: "As Indicated"

07-03-2013 07:28 AM in reply to: AndyT_RCA
I think you are saying you want the "View Title" annotation symbol (what
you may be calling a legend) that is associated with a "Viewport" on one of
your sheets to not say what scale that "Viewport" is but to say something
else. Yes this can be done.

The "View Title" is a family class that is the "Title" parameter property
of the "Viewport" "Type" property of a "ViewPort". When you select a
"ViewPort" you'll see the "Title" graphics parameter property in the
"Viewport's" type properties. The "Value" for that can be any "type" within
the "View Title" annotation symbol families that happen to be loaded within
your file. Create a new, special "View Title" annotation symbol family that
has "types" within that new "View Title" family that do what you want.
Start by saving the "View Title" family one you have to a new one and then
edit it as needed. Choose a name that you can easily recognize as what it
is for. What you want to happen can be handled with "parameters" you create
in that new "view title" family that are used as visibility controls for
the "visible" graphics properties of the text lines in the "View Title"
family. For example your new "View Title" family might have two "types".
One "Type" allows the "Label Scale" label to be visible. The other "Type"
does not. If you actually want other text to show, like "NTS" for example,
then you'll need to have additional visibility parameters to control that
text line's visibility. You will create a "Type" within that new "View
Title" family for all the ways you want that "View Title" to appear. You
still have more "Type" work to do. At this point you have created "Types"
within a "View Title" family. Now you need to create "Types" within
"ViewPorts" that say what "Type" of "View Title" to use for your different
"Type" of "ViewPort". Once that special "View Title" family is loaded you
can then pick one of its "Types" as the "Title" value for A NEW "Viewport"
"Type". You will end up changing ALL your existing "Viewports" to use this
new "View Title" "Title" if you forget to first create (duplicate and then
rename) a new "Viewport" type to handle your special condition.

Now my head is numb. I hope this is described enough to get you going in
the right direction.
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David_W._Koch
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Message 9 of 12 (2,140 Views)

Re: Multiple Scales on a Sheet: "As Indicated"

07-03-2013 02:19 PM in reply to: loboarch

loboarch wrote:
The "scale" parameter associated with sheets is something defined at the system level.  If all views on a sheet are the same scale the value will resolve with the scale the view/views use.  If the views have different values it changes to "as indicated".  By controling this at the system level it prevents coordination errors from occuring.

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I understand the need to "control" this at the system level to prevent coordination errors, which is precisely why setting up a title block that overrides the scale setting is wrong.  The problem is not that multiple scales cause a text value to display in lieu of a drawing scale value; the problem is that the end user has no control over what that text says.  I do not want to have the end user responsible for remembering to change the title block or toggle a visibility state, I want the "coordinated" automatic feature provided, with the ability to set the text value that gets displayed to match my firm's standards (which would be "AS NOTED", not "As Indicated").

 

Adding a system-created project parameter that would hold the text to be displayed would preserve the coordination-error-prevention qualities of the current setup, while avoiding the impossibility of having one, hard-coded text string satisfying all user's formatting and language requirements.  And while I have no idea what the magnitude of the task actually is, as I remain blissfully ignorant of the inner "black box" workings of the Revit code, I find it hard to believe that setting up such a project parameter and redirecting the scale value to that in lieu of the current hard-coded text would be difficult or break anything else in the process.

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jesser
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Message 10 of 12 (2,123 Views)

Re: Multiple Scales on a Sheet: "As Indicated"

07-04-2013 05:16 AM in reply to: kathryn.langan
I agree with David completely. Well said!

Our standard is also AS NOTED. If you could code it similar to dimensions where you were not allowed to enter numbers in the project parameter that would avoid the concern of overriding the coordination and causing mistakes.
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