How do I create "squared" edges in dashed lines?

[Anonymous]

I apologize if this has been answered in a previous post, but I wasn't able to find what I need by searching.

The attachment below shows some of our thicker linestyles that we need for our life safety plans in the form of detail lines. In ACAD we could produce "squared" corners in stead of this spraypaint look.

Is there a way to get what we want in Revit or do we just need to accept yet another limitation of this program?

Thanks.

- Alex

[Anonymous]

Jazzster11,

Sorry, that's just the way it is in Revit. This has been on the wish list for awhile now.

[Anonymous]

thanks; i was afraid that this was the case, but at least now it's been confirmed.

- Alex

[Anonymous]

How does this rounded-end affect your construction documents? This attached
image is how it looks on screen, but how does it really look when printed at
scale on a sheet? Is it just a matter of preference? In my 8 years of
using Revit in production, I never had a contractor question why I had
rounded line-ends. My fatter technical pens used to do the same thing when
I was inking my drawings by hand.

"Jazzster11" wrote in message news:6232499@discussion.autodesk.com...
thanks; i was afraid that this was the case, but at least now it's been
confirmed.

- Alex

[Anonymous]

It's not an issue for the contractor except that the squared edged lines are easier to read, especially when the linetype scale is small.

The bigger issue is that we have most of our staff still using ACAD and only a few of us are using Revit, and we need to justify our money spent on Revit, which is difficult when we can't even reproduce the same graphics as we had before. We have office standards which must now be split up into a Revit standard and an ACAD standard, which is definitely not preferred.

I totally understand that every program will have its limitations, but if Revit has been in production for 8 years....and if Autodesk is trying to setup Revit to be the next "industry standard", then why wouldn't they give us the same graphic control as we had before? I'm guessing that there's some crucial piece of Revit's programming that won't allow us to have this 1 little thing, and we'll get over it, but I'm less and less impressed with how this 2010 release in general is working.

Sorry for the rant.

- Alex

[Anonymous]

I agree with you Scott. What I find so interesting is how inflexible some
people, especially principals of firms who don't even use the product insist
that something has to look a certain way because this is how we have always
done it. Oh did I forget to add these things have no bearing what so ever
with how a building is put together or conveyed in the documents. I am so
glad that I have my own practice so I get to do pretty much whatever I want.
I have been practicing archtecture for over 30 years and I know that the
documents that I produce with Revit are far better and look better than any
that I put together by hand or other cad programs. If someone asked me if
the dashed lines had rounded or squared edges my answer would probably be
the hell if I know or care as long as they are dashed. I have more important
things to worry about than that. But thats just me.

Craig VanDevere, AIA

"Scott D Davis" wrote in message
news:6233650@discussion.autodesk.com...
How does this rounded-end affect your construction documents? This attached
image is how it looks on screen, but how does it really look when printed at
scale on a sheet? Is it just a matter of preference? In my 8 years of
using Revit in production, I never had a contractor question why I had
rounded line-ends. My fatter technical pens used to do the same thing when
I was inking my drawings by hand.

"Jazzster11" wrote in message news:6232499@discussion.autodesk.com...
thanks; i was afraid that this was the case, but at least now it's been
confirmed.

- Alex

[Anonymous]

I hate to tell you this, but you may want to rethink some of your graphic
standards. It sounds like your company redid the graphics standards when
they went from pen to computer-aided-drafting. (Like Scott mentioned, when
we used a fat pen for those wide lines, we didn't square off the corners
with a smaller pen.) Most graphic standards are personal preference (even
company standards) and vary from company to company.

If your company is starting to use Revit, my guess is that your company is
looking at Building Information Modeling. Moving from
computer-aided-drafting to Buiding Information Modeling is something that
will (should) change your processes, which have a big impact on the
profitability of a company. Trying to maintain the exact same graphic
standards between AutoCAD and Revit isn't worth the extra time, money, and
headaches. I realize that your company's graphic standards are important to
your company, but your company will need to analyze the importance of
maintaining those exact graphics.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Doug

"Jazzster11" wrote in message news:6233638@discussion.autodesk.com...
It's not an issue for the contractor except that the squared edged lines are
easier to read, especially when the linetype scale is small.

The bigger issue is that we have most of our staff still using ACAD and only
a few of us are using Revit, and we need to justify our money spent on
Revit, which is difficult when we can't even reproduce the same graphics as
we had before. We have office standards which must now be split up into a
Revit standard and an ACAD standard, which is definitely not preferred.

I totally understand that every program will have its limitations, but if
Revit has been in production for 8 years....and if Autodesk is trying to
setup Revit to be the next "industry standard", then why wouldn't they give
us the same graphic control as we had before? I'm guessing that there's
some crucial piece of Revit's programming that won't allow us to have this 1
little thing, and we'll get over it, but I'm less and less impressed with
how this 2010 release in general is working.

Sorry for the rant.

- Alex

[Anonymous]

I couldn't agree more with all of the responses on this thread, but fortunately or unfortunately I'm just a lowly project architect without any authority over these matters. And every time that I have to explain to a principle or project manager that they can't have what they want, then I end up looking bad and it THEN becomes harder to sell the premise of using Revit for all of our future projects.

It IS an impressive program, but with ACAD there really wasn't much training that was required before someone with no real work experience could jump into construction documents (assuming that they could follow redlines.) But with Revit, there's a huge leap between the redlines produced by a generation who began their career on a drafting board with a mayline and what the Revit user must do in order to produce the intended graphic.

People who are already cynical of technology and how it further removes the designer from his or her designs don't want to hear that the next industry standard can't even produce the same graphical product as the current standard.

Oh well.

Thanks for the words of wisdom.

- Alex

[Anonymous]

I understand. If the economy was better I would suggest that you find a more
progressive firm, at least more progressive towards technology. I think the
best you are going to do is say well it can't do that but wow look at what
it can do and then bombard them with examples of drawings, schedules,
renderings, colored in area plans and sections and by the way just one
person did all this instead of the three or four that it a job normally
takes plus it is done with one program from one model. 🙂 Perhaps then they
will wake up and see the light. If not they will be left in the dust
scratching heads as to what happened. Happy Reviteering!!!!



wrote in message news:6233762@discussion.autodesk.com...
I couldn't agree more with all of the responses on this thread, but
fortunately or unfortunately I'm just a lowly project architect without any
authority over these matters. And every time that I have to explain to a
principle or project manager that they can't have what they want, then I end
up looking bad and it THEN becomes harder to sell the premise of using Revit
for all of our future projects.

It IS an impressive program, but with ACAD there really wasn't much training
that was required before someone with no real work experience could jump
into construction documents (assuming that they could follow redlines.) But
with Revit, there's a huge leap between the redlines produced by a
generation who began their career on a drafting board with a mayline and
what the Revit user must do in order to produce the intended graphic.

People who are already cynical of technology and how it further removes the
designer from his or her designs don't want to hear that the next industry
standard can't even produce the same graphical product as the current
standard.

Oh well.

Thanks for the words of wisdom.

- Alex

[Anonymous]

Doug:

I guess you never worked for anyone who made you use those square edged graphos pens:

http://hans.presto.tripod.com/scan/graphos.html

Old school.

bt

[Anonymous]

Nope. We never used them. We just drew with wide pens and didn't take the
extra time to make the corners square.

Doug


"bt1138" wrote in message news:6236297@discussion.autodesk.com...
Doug:

I guess you never worked for anyone who made you use those square edged
graphos pens:

http://hans.presto.tripod.com/scan/graphos.html

Old school.

bt

[normandyck3654]

Here's a family I created for squared dashed lines.

[Seychellian]

Thanks for this! Sorry if this is stupid question but how do you change the colour of the lines?

[RobDraw]

Your question is not related to the topic of this thread. I would suggest that you start a new thread.

BTW, the last response to this thread was 6 years ago.

[Anonymous]

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@Seychellian wrote:

Thanks for this! Sorry if this is stupid question but how do you change the colour of the lines?

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You have to edit the family then edit the nested family to be a different solid pattern color.

[RobDraw]

@Seychellian, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were asking about the file in this thread.

[Seychellian]

Thanks! And what would be the easiest way to paramtize it so that the color could be set in the project file?

[Anonymous]

Not really... you could mess with some visibility parameters to switch between the different colors....but it's probably easier to just create multiple versions as separate families.

I haven't had anyone complain about the round edges since I started with Revit 7.0....so square edges are a thing of the past.

[Seychellian]

By that do you mean that people accepted the round edges or that there was a way to display lines with square edges?

[Anonymous]

They accepted the round edges.   It wasn't that noticeable on prints.  It was only when zoomed in was there concerns.