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*Goodrich, Jack
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Which Printer Driver for 750C plus?

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06-04-2001 07:09 AM
Are HP and Autodesk having a little Spat? It has become painfully obvious
that there is no cooperation between the two entities. The Heidi driver
works perfectly except it does not print screened solid hatches. Although
there is no driver for AuyoCAD 2000/2000i/2002 from the HP website as stated
by Autodesk, I downloaded the Windows 98 driver , V4.40. I can now print
screened solid hatches (why can't Autodesk make this work in the heidi
driver?); however, this path has introduced an even greater obstacle. The
printing is so much slower that it is not usable. First of all - HP, in all
their infinite wisdom, has decided to rotate a landscaped dwg 180 degrees as
the default in the windows driver. I am not going into all the problems it
creates here, suffice it to say THIS IS RIDICULOUS! We do not normally use
the "inked area" toggle in the software, it is much easier for us to change
it on the plotter when we rarely need it, but now we must click on the
"print upside down" radio button and search through the dialogue boxes to
make sure "inked area" is selected in order to make plotting work. This
creates an extra "thinking session" for the plotter software. This is not
usable because of the way our CAD boss has set up the plotting. The windows
driver is much harder to use because it over-rides all settings on the
plotter (it is not "smart"). It is also about twice as slow. If AutoCAD
could only make screening solid hatches work in the heidi driver, it would
solve all of our problems. If Autodesk thinks this situation is isolated,
they are dead wrong. Virtually EVERYONE I have talked to about this is in
the EXACT same predicament. We are talking HUNDREDS of engineering firms
here. We work with firms all over the Southeastern U.S.

Will there be an upgrade for the Heidi driver to correct screening using the
HP 750C plus? What about it, Autodesk?

Thank You,
Jack G.
*Hurley, Shaan
Message 2 of 10 (115 Views)

Re: Which Printer Driver for 750C plus?

06-04-2001 07:46 AM in reply to: *Goodrich, Jack
Jack,

See my inserted comments below indicated by . Also look at the links
below.


Knowledge Base
http://support02.autodesk.com/ViewAnswerworks.asp

10 Steps To Plotting:
ftp://adeskftp.autodesk.com/prodsupp/autocad2000/plot10st.txt

Fast Track to Plotting in 2000i
Detailed instructions for bringing your AutoCAD Release 14 printing and
plotting configurations up to speed with AutoCAD 2000i.
http://www3.autodesk.com/adsk/index/0,,298574-123112,00.html

Online Tutorials
http://www3.autodesk.com/adsk/autoindex/0,,124002-123112-356963,00.html

HP Forum
http://forum.support.hp.com

Sincerely,

Shaan Hurley
Autodesk Beta Programs
http://betaprograms.autodesk.com



"Jack Goodrich" wrote in message
news:632F236EBD1FCF89A294093FA8CA8222@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Are HP and Autodesk having a little Spat? It has become painfully obvious
> that there is no cooperation between the two entities.
Autodesk and HP communicate frequently and there is no spat.

>The Heidi driver works perfectly except it does not print screened solid
hatches. Although
> there is no driver for AuyoCAD 2000/2000i/2002 from the HP website as
stated
> by Autodesk, I downloaded the Windows 98 driver , V4.40. I can now print
> screened solid hatches (why can't Autodesk make this work in the heidi
> driver?); however, this path has introduced an even greater obstacle.
Autodesk recomends to use the Windows System drivers and HP writes
both the Windows System drivers as well as the non system HDI drivers
instaklkled with AutoCAD. I have not seen the screening problem and could be
the configration of the driver causing your problem.

The> printing is so much slower that it is not usable. First of all - HP, in
all
> their infinite wisdom, has decided to rotate a landscaped dwg 180 degrees
as
> the default in the windows driver. I am not going into all the problems it
> creates here, suffice it to say THIS IS RIDICULOUS! We do not normally use
> the "inked area" toggle in the software, it is much easier for us to
change
> it on the plotter when we rarely need it, but now we must click on the
> "print upside down" radio button and search through the dialogue boxes to
> make sure "inked area" is selected in order to make plotting work. This
> creates an extra "thinking session" for the plotter software. This is not
> usable because of the way our CAD boss has set up the plotting. The
windows
> driver is much harder to use because it over-rides all settings on the
> plotter (it is not "smart").
Try creating specific settings in a PC3 wrapped system driver.

>It is also about twice as slow.
Make sure you applied Service Packs or Plotting Updates for your
AutoCAd release.
>If AutoCAD could only make screening solid hatches work in the heidi
driver, it would
> solve all of our problems.
See my comment aboutve about HP creating the non system HDI driver and
the possible problem is your configuration also see the online Knowled Base
document http://support.autodesk.com/getdoc.asp?id=TS45373

> Will there be an upgrade for the Heidi driver to correct screening using
the
> HP 750C plus? What about it, Autodesk?
http://support.autodesk.com/getdoc.asp?id=TS45373
>
> Thank You,
> Jack G.
>
>
>
*Hurley, Shaan
Message 3 of 10 (115 Views)

Re:

06-04-2001 10:41 AM in reply to: *Goodrich, Jack
Correction: The HDI for the 750 was actually by Autodesk but I still think
your screening problem is the configuration. Please have a look at the links
I provided.

Not Screening?
There are several reasons why screening might not work for you:
- you must have dithering enabled in the CTB for screening to work
- you must have selected a color depth greater than 2 in the PC3 Editor's
vector graphics pane if you are using a non-system driver

Sincerely,

Shaan Hurley
Autodesk Beta Programs
http://betaprograms.autodesk.com


"Shaan Hurley" wrote in message
news:1A014AFC38C6327EF44A0C9D3403619D@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Jack,
>
> See my inserted comments below indicated by . Also look at the links
> below.
>
>
> Knowledge Base
> http://support02.autodesk.com/ViewAnswerworks.asp
>
> 10 Steps To Plotting:
> ftp://adeskftp.autodesk.com/prodsupp/autocad2000/plot10st.txt
>
> Fast Track to Plotting in 2000i
> Detailed instructions for bringing your AutoCAD Release 14 printing and
> plotting configurations up to speed with AutoCAD 2000i.
> http://www3.autodesk.com/adsk/index/0,,298574-123112,00.html
>
> Online Tutorials
> http://www3.autodesk.com/adsk/autoindex/0,,124002-123112-356963,00.html
>
> HP Forum
> http://forum.support.hp.com
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Shaan Hurley
> Autodesk Beta Programs
> http://betaprograms.autodesk.com
>
>
>
> "Jack Goodrich" wrote in message
> news:632F236EBD1FCF89A294093FA8CA8222@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Are HP and Autodesk having a little Spat? It has become painfully
obvious
> > that there is no cooperation between the two entities.
> Autodesk and HP communicate frequently and there is no spat.
>
> >The Heidi driver works perfectly except it does not print screened solid
> hatches. Although
> > there is no driver for AuyoCAD 2000/2000i/2002 from the HP website as
> stated
> > by Autodesk, I downloaded the Windows 98 driver , V4.40. I can now print
> > screened solid hatches (why can't Autodesk make this work in the heidi
> > driver?); however, this path has introduced an even greater obstacle.
> Autodesk recomends to use the Windows System drivers and HP writes
> both the Windows System drivers as well as the non system HDI drivers
> instaklkled with AutoCAD. I have not seen the screening problem and could
be
> the configration of the driver causing your problem.
>
> The> printing is so much slower that it is not usable. First of all - HP,
in
> all
> > their infinite wisdom, has decided to rotate a landscaped dwg 180
degrees
> as
> > the default in the windows driver. I am not going into all the problems
it
> > creates here, suffice it to say THIS IS RIDICULOUS! We do not normally
use
> > the "inked area" toggle in the software, it is much easier for us to
> change
> > it on the plotter when we rarely need it, but now we must click on the
> > "print upside down" radio button and search through the dialogue boxes
to
> > make sure "inked area" is selected in order to make plotting work. This
> > creates an extra "thinking session" for the plotter software. This is
not
> > usable because of the way our CAD boss has set up the plotting. The
> windows
> > driver is much harder to use because it over-rides all settings on the
> > plotter (it is not "smart").
> Try creating specific settings in a PC3 wrapped system driver.
>
> >It is also about twice as slow.
> Make sure you applied Service Packs or Plotting Updates for your
> AutoCAd release.
> >If AutoCAD could only make screening solid hatches work in the heidi
> driver, it would
> > solve all of our problems.
> See my comment aboutve about HP creating the non system HDI driver
and
> the possible problem is your configuration also see the online Knowled
Base
> document http://support.autodesk.com/getdoc.asp?id=TS45373
>
> > Will there be an upgrade for the Heidi driver to correct screening using
> the
> > HP 750C plus? What about it, Autodesk?
> http://support.autodesk.com/getdoc.asp?id=TS45373
> >
> > Thank You,
> > Jack G.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
*Goodrich, Jack
Message 4 of 10 (115 Views)

Re:

06-04-2001 10:50 PM in reply to: *Goodrich, Jack
I know the HDI driver is by Autodesk. This is the driver of choice for me if
I could only get screening to work on SOLID HATCHES. Screening works on
everything else EXCEPT solid hatching. Everyone is forcing us to use the HP
windows driver, but the windows driver changes the way landscape and
portrait work. I have never been able to figure it out. I have always hated
HP's drivers for all their printers & plotters. Their software developers
are not in sync with their hardware developers. Their hardware is
top-of-the-line, to be sure, if you can work around the software
"shortcomings". Let's talk about screening solid hatches. You say it can be
done, yet I have tried everything, still with no success. The windows driver
does screen solid hatches, by the way.

My color depth is 24-bit, 16.8 million colors @300x300. I have set the
dithering control to hardware odered or hardware scattered. Either works
just fine. Here is a CTB config that I have used to screen a color 254 solid
hatch (it works with the windows driver by HP but not with the hdi driver by
Autodesk):

color=object
dither=on
grayscale=off
pen num=auto
virtual pen=auto
screen=80 (any screen % works here)
linetype=object
adaptive=on
lineweight=object
line end=object
line join=object
fill=object

I have tried other settings, but this is the only CTB config that works (at
least in the HP windows driver). There is no config that works for solid
hatches in the hdi driver.

I look forward to your response.
Jack G.

Shaan Hurley wrote in message
news:A26CBD403C3901866FB333C3F84B69C4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Correction: The HDI for the 750 was actually by Autodesk but I still think
> your screening problem is the configuration. Please have a look at the
links
> I provided.
>
> Not Screening?
> There are several reasons why screening might not work for you:
> - you must have dithering enabled in the CTB for screening to work
> - you must have selected a color depth greater than 2 in the PC3
Editor's
> vector graphics pane if you are using a non-system driver
*Hurley, Shaan
Message 5 of 10 (115 Views)

Re:

06-05-2001 12:06 AM in reply to: *Goodrich, Jack
Jack,

Please email me a drawing, PC3, and the plot style and I will have a look
when I get a chance.

Sincerely,

Shaan Hurley
Autodesk Beta Programs
http://betaprograms.autodesk.com


> wrote in message
news:8ED775688A369CA536D66A6012926244@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I know the HDI driver is by Autodesk. This is the driver of choice for me
if
> I could only get screening to work on SOLID HATCHES. Screening works on
> everything else EXCEPT solid hatching. Everyone is forcing us to use the
HP
> windows driver, but the windows driver changes the way landscape and
> portrait work. I have never been able to figure it out. I have always
hated
> HP's drivers for all their printers & plotters. Their software developers
> are not in sync with their hardware developers. Their hardware is
> top-of-the-line, to be sure, if you can work around the software
> "shortcomings". Let's talk about screening solid hatches. You say it can
be
> done, yet I have tried everything, still with no success. The windows
driver
> does screen solid hatches, by the way.
>
> My color depth is 24-bit, 16.8 million colors @300x300. I have set the
> dithering control to hardware odered or hardware scattered. Either works
> just fine. Here is a CTB config that I have used to screen a color 254
solid
> hatch (it works with the windows driver by HP but not with the hdi driver
by
> Autodesk):
>
> color=object
> dither=on
> grayscale=off
> pen num=auto
> virtual pen=auto
> screen=80 (any screen % works here)
> linetype=object
> adaptive=on
> lineweight=object
> line end=object
> line join=object
> fill=object
>
> I have tried other settings, but this is the only CTB config that works
(at
> least in the HP windows driver). There is no config that works for solid
> hatches in the hdi driver.
>
> I look forward to your response.
> Jack G.
>
> Shaan Hurley wrote in message
> news:A26CBD403C3901866FB333C3F84B69C4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Correction: The HDI for the 750 was actually by Autodesk but I still
think
> > your screening problem is the configuration. Please have a look at the
> links
> > I provided.
> >
> > Not Screening?
> > There are several reasons why screening might not work for you:
> > - you must have dithering enabled in the CTB for screening to work
> > - you must have selected a color depth greater than 2 in the PC3
> Editor's
> > vector graphics pane if you are using a non-system driver
>
>
>
*Knopper, Govert J.
Message 6 of 10 (115 Views)

Re:

06-05-2001 12:33 AM in reply to: *Goodrich, Jack
Jack, I can't speak for the 750C, but I can tell you that the settings that
you mention work here without a problem on the 1050C. Note though that in
your example it is very difficult to see the difference between 100% and 80%
of the light gray that color 254 already is. But 20% shading applied to that
color prints definitely lighter here than 100%.

Govert

Jack Goodrich schreef in berichtnieuws
8ED775688A369CA536D66A6012926244@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I know the HDI driver is by Autodesk. This is the driver of choice for me
if
> I could only get screening to work on SOLID HATCHES. Screening works on
> everything else EXCEPT solid hatching. Everyone is forcing us to use the
HP
> windows driver, but the windows driver changes the way landscape and
> portrait work. I have never been able to figure it out. I have always
hated
> HP's drivers for all their printers & plotters. Their software developers
> are not in sync with their hardware developers. Their hardware is
> top-of-the-line, to be sure, if you can work around the software
> "shortcomings". Let's talk about screening solid hatches. You say it can
be
> done, yet I have tried everything, still with no success. The windows
driver
> does screen solid hatches, by the way.
>
> My color depth is 24-bit, 16.8 million colors @300x300. I have set the
> dithering control to hardware odered or hardware scattered. Either works
> just fine. Here is a CTB config that I have used to screen a color 254
solid
> hatch (it works with the windows driver by HP but not with the hdi driver
by
> Autodesk):
>
> color=object
> dither=on
> grayscale=off
> pen num=auto
> virtual pen=auto
> screen=80 (any screen % works here)
> linetype=object
> adaptive=on
> lineweight=object
> line end=object
> line join=object
> fill=object
>
> I have tried other settings, but this is the only CTB config that works
(at
> least in the HP windows driver). There is no config that works for solid
> hatches in the hdi driver.
>
> I look forward to your response.
> Jack G.
>
> Shaan Hurley wrote in message
> news:A26CBD403C3901866FB333C3F84B69C4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Correction: The HDI for the 750 was actually by Autodesk but I still
think
> > your screening problem is the configuration. Please have a look at the
> links
> > I provided.
> >
> > Not Screening?
> > There are several reasons why screening might not work for you:
> > - you must have dithering enabled in the CTB for screening to work
> > - you must have selected a color depth greater than 2 in the PC3
> Editor's
> > vector graphics pane if you are using a non-system driver
>
>
>
*Goodrich, Jack
Message 7 of 10 (115 Views)

Re:

06-05-2001 04:34 AM in reply to: *Goodrich, Jack
Which driver are you using, the Autodesk HDI driver or the HP Windows
driver? At 100% screening, color 254 looks like color 252 when printing from
Acad2000. There is a dramatic difference between 80% and 100% when I plot
from Acad2000. At 80%, color 254 resembles the real shade of 254 just like
it used to look in R14. Being able to screen the solid hatch of color 254
80% solves my problems, but the HDI driver won't do it. The windows driver
will, but there is no logic to the origin and rotation in the windows driver
and it is useless to me.

Thanks,
Jack


Govert J. Knopper wrote in message
news:BDC820304BEA23F7183AF3CC3A04032D@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Jack, I can't speak for the 750C, but I can tell you that the settings
that
> you mention work here without a problem on the 1050C. Note though that in
> your example it is very difficult to see the difference between 100% and
80%
> of the light gray that color 254 already is. But 20% shading applied to
that
> color prints definitely lighter here than 100%.
*Knopper, Govert J.
Message 8 of 10 (115 Views)

Re:

06-06-2001 04:05 PM in reply to: *Goodrich, Jack
Jack,

For our own work usually the Windows driver, but I was interested in your
problem and checked it with the DesignJet 750C HDI driver - plotted a solid
hatched rectangle (color 254) at 100%, 80% and 20% sceening - no visible
difference between 100% and 80%, but 20% was definitely much lighter.

Govert

Jack Goodrich schreef in berichtnieuws
E52D793CDE61A2613308FC3322330817@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Which driver are you using, the Autodesk HDI driver or the HP Windows
> driver? At 100% screening, color 254 looks like color 252 when printing
from
> Acad2000. There is a dramatic difference between 80% and 100% when I plot
> from Acad2000. At 80%, color 254 resembles the real shade of 254 just like
> it used to look in R14. Being able to screen the solid hatch of color 254
> 80% solves my problems, but the HDI driver won't do it. The windows driver
> will, but there is no logic to the origin and rotation in the windows
driver
> and it is useless to me.
>
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
>
> Govert J. Knopper wrote in message
> news:BDC820304BEA23F7183AF3CC3A04032D@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Jack, I can't speak for the 750C, but I can tell you that the settings
> that
> > you mention work here without a problem on the 1050C. Note though that
in
> > your example it is very difficult to see the difference between 100% and
> 80%
> > of the light gray that color 254 already is. But 20% shading applied to
> that
> > color prints definitely lighter here than 100%.
>
>
>
*Goodrich, Jack
Message 9 of 10 (115 Views)

Re:

07-03-2001 01:08 AM in reply to: *Goodrich, Jack
Gov,

My system is Win98, Acad 2000, and HP 750C Plus E model. If you are not
using this exact config, I don't know if we can compare. I have configured
my CTB file 8 different ways, all according to people responding to this
question here. Using the HDI driver that came on my Acad 2000 CD (not Acad
2000i), screening simply does not work on the solid hatch patterns. It works
on lines, arcs, text, etc. When trying to screen solid hatches, it is either
On (100%) or Off (0%). There is nothing between the two. I have set the
screening from 0 to 100 in 5% increments, and it goes from all to nothing at
about 70-75%. I am using the windows driver from HP now, so I can screen
solid hatches. I do not like the driver, though, because it requires 2
setups, 1 in windows and 1 in acad. If I change my windows setup to plot
from a graphics program and forget, my acad plot will be screwed up. It also
requires you to plot upside down in order to plot right side up, for the
"inked area" to work. I prefer the HDI driver but cannot find one that will
work with my plotter to screen solid hatches. Thank you for trying to help
me, but I have run out of answers on the HDI driver. Perhaps it was
modified, and I can find a patch somewhere?

Thank you,
Jack


Govert J. Knopper wrote in message
news:69154E0C31AF1CED4FE16FAF63BAF01D@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Jack,
>
> For our own work usually the Windows driver, but I was interested in your
> problem and checked it with the DesignJet 750C HDI driver - plotted a
solid
> hatched rectangle (color 254) at 100%, 80% and 20% sceening - no visible
> difference between 100% and 80%, but 20% was definitely much lighter.
>
> Govert
*Doug
Message 10 of 10 (115 Views)

Re:

07-07-2001 10:42 PM in reply to: *Goodrich, Jack
http://www.hp.com/cposupport/swindexes/hpdesignje2272_swen.html
Add printer, using Win 98 drivers and if wanted make a PC3 file.
Acad 2000 uses Windows system printers.
Try that and good luck.

"Jack Goodrich" wrote in message
news:F905DC8B958BC9A5E9F2ECA126D51525@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Gov,
>
> My system is Win98, Acad 2000, and HP 750C Plus E model. If you are not
> using this exact config, I don't know if we can compare. I have configured
> my CTB file 8 different ways, all according to people responding to this
> question here. Using the HDI driver that came on my Acad 2000 CD (not Acad
> 2000i), screening simply does not work on the solid hatch patterns. It
works
> on lines, arcs, text, etc. When trying to screen solid hatches, it is
either
> On (100%) or Off (0%). There is nothing between the two. I have set the
> screening from 0 to 100 in 5% increments, and it goes from all to nothing
at
> about 70-75%. I am using the windows driver from HP now, so I can screen
> solid hatches. I do not like the driver, though, because it requires 2
> setups, 1 in windows and 1 in acad. If I change my windows setup to plot
> from a graphics program and forget, my acad plot will be screwed up. It
also
> requires you to plot upside down in order to plot right side up, for the
> "inked area" to work. I prefer the HDI driver but cannot find one that
will
> work with my plotter to screen solid hatches. Thank you for trying to help
> me, but I have run out of answers on the HDI driver. Perhaps it was
> modified, and I can find a patch somewhere?
>
> Thank you,
> Jack
>
>
> Govert J. Knopper wrote in message
> news:69154E0C31AF1CED4FE16FAF63BAF01D@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Jack,
> >
> > For our own work usually the Windows driver, but I was interested in
your
> > problem and checked it with the DesignJet 750C HDI driver - plotted a
> solid
> > hatched rectangle (color 254) at 100%, 80% and 20% sceening - no visible
> > difference between 100% and 80%, but 20% was definitely much lighter.
> >
> > Govert
>
>
>

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