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*Ruppel, Ben
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HP DesignJet 500 and paper sizes

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09-20-2002 05:31 AM
Hello, I'm a young engineer with out too much experience in the history
of plotting, but I am perplexed by how difficult it is to utilize our
new designjet 500. I am not saying that this is all Autodesk's fault.

We have a designjet 500 with a 42 inch roll and the HPGL2 card. I run
win2000 and connect to the printer via TCP/IP. I am plotting from
autocad 2002.

First off, there are no readily available paper sizes that match our
paper width. I had to go into my printer system settings and check some
boxes, which made Architectural E show up, which is 42" wide. Why the
printer driver didn't have a size like this by default is bewildering.
Okay, so that is probably HP's problem (I'm hitting their newsgroup next).

Okay, so now I have a paper size to take advantage of my width
abilities. What about Length? I've got a roll, don't I? Heck, length
is infinity (I hear this was referred to as the "J" paper size). Why
can't the driver and AutoCAD realize this? Instead do I really have to
go in and specify custom lengths for each printout?

How many years have CAD programs and plotters had to work together? Why
do the drivers still automatcially constrain themselves to pre-set paper
sizes?

Ideally, you would be able to select "42" roll" as a paper size, and
portrait or landscape. Then AutoCAD would scale the paper size to fit
your drawing. Is there already a way to do this?

Thanks, and sorry for the rant,
Ben
*McManamy, Rodney
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Re: HP DesignJet 500 and paper sizes

09-20-2002 06:28 AM in reply to: *Ruppel, Ben
Your just starting to hit on the various problems. I've spent months trying
to get around them to perfect my AcroPlot software for printing to PDF
files. And that's with Autodesks help. One would think that if I changed
the custom size in the Windows driver that AutoCAD would recognize it.
Isn't that what the refreshplotdeviceinfo call does? Wrong! You actually
have to close down and reboot AutoCAD for it to pick it up. Plus good luck
trying to define the Width>Length. Autodesk doesn't recognize this
correctly either and runs into problems.

So yes, you really do need to create a pc3 file for each papersize you want
to use. Or do it by setting up multiple Windows Drivers with different
custom papersizes.

That is until they give us the programming interface to modify the pc3 and
pmp files which they decided needed about 4 levels of encryption for a file
that basically tells AutoCAD what the papersizes and margins are. I can't
imagine how many man hours someone wasted coming up with these formats for
no reason at all.

But who really cares about plotting now that we have the really cool USEFUL
features like AutoCAD Today and whatever that little clone of the Office
Assistant they have which takes most people longer to figure out how to shut
it off than it does to install AutoCAD.

How AutoCAD ranks as a Windows Compatible program when it doesn't even print
properly to most Windows Printers is really one of lifes greatest mysteries.

--
Rodney McManamy
President
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"Ben Ruppel" wrote in message
news:A3545856AFAD577470FA510C68DF7050@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Hello, I'm a young engineer with out too much experience in the history
> of plotting, but I am perplexed by how difficult it is to utilize our
> new designjet 500. I am not saying that this is all Autodesk's fault.
>
> We have a designjet 500 with a 42 inch roll and the HPGL2 card. I run
> win2000 and connect to the printer via TCP/IP. I am plotting from
> autocad 2002.
>
> First off, there are no readily available paper sizes that match our
> paper width. I had to go into my printer system settings and check some
> boxes, which made Architectural E show up, which is 42" wide. Why the
> printer driver didn't have a size like this by default is bewildering.
> Okay, so that is probably HP's problem (I'm hitting their newsgroup next).
>
> Okay, so now I have a paper size to take advantage of my width
> abilities. What about Length? I've got a roll, don't I? Heck, length
> is infinity (I hear this was referred to as the "J" paper size). Why
> can't the driver and AutoCAD realize this? Instead do I really have to
> go in and specify custom lengths for each printout?
>
> How many years have CAD programs and plotters had to work together? Why
> do the drivers still automatcially constrain themselves to pre-set paper
> sizes?
>
> Ideally, you would be able to select "42" roll" as a paper size, and
> portrait or landscape. Then AutoCAD would scale the paper size to fit
> your drawing. Is there already a way to do this?
>
> Thanks, and sorry for the rant,
> Ben
>

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