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NW-Revit MEP 2013 - Pipe Fittings not showing up as 3D

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Message 1 of 14
dennis
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NW-Revit MEP 2013 - Pipe Fittings not showing up as 3D

Is there a setting I am missing?  I just discovered that my pipe fittings are coming in as single-line, while the straights are coming in as expected as models.  I am using the new NW2013 reading a new Revit MEP 2013 pipe layout.

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Message 2 of 14
dennis
in reply to: dennis

Update:  I downloaded and installed the current three Object Enablers for 2013: Plant3D, Civil3D, and the Structural Detailer.  None helped with the pipe fittings from Revit.  Is this a possible OE problem and if so, when is it expected to have an OE released?

Message 3 of 14
dennis
in reply to: dennis

I am declaring a bug.  Smiley Frustrated

My findings are:  Use the Exporter rather than the Reader, the Exporter exports correctly, while the Reader, appears to be reading alot as Medium detail level from Revit.  Duct is hard to tell because it appears the same in Fine or Medium.  CableTray will Export out in Fine detail, while the Reader will see it as Medium detail.  Pipe/Conduit fittings Export fine, but the Reader makes the fittings Medium/Single-Line, yet the straight pieces will come in as expected.

 

Recommendation: RMEP use the Exporter not the Reader.

 

Message 4 of 14
sec-k
in reply to: dennis

Having the same problem with pipe fittings.  Exporter works fine as you suggested.

Message 5 of 14
KevinMurtha
in reply to: dennis

Building Desighn suite 2013 premium 

 

does anyone know of a workaround for the issue with missing fittings. ductwork seems to be fine but pipework fittings are miissing.

 

i also dont seem to be able to find any means of exporting a Revit file to Navis 

Message 6 of 14
dennis
in reply to: KevinMurtha

Regarding the NWExporter, if you have installed Navisworks after installing Revit, you should have the Exporter in the Addins Tab.  If it isn't there, you can download the NWExporter for Revit:

http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/item?id=13947462&siteID=123112

 

Message 7 of 14
dennis
in reply to: dennis

I have attached a NWD with two models, one is READ by NW, the other is Exported via the plugin, so that the difference can be seen.  The Exporter exports the pipe fittings as models, while the Reader gets them in as single line.  And, btw, I do have the SP1 installed on my Navisworks Manage.

Message 8 of 14
MikeMaloney
in reply to: dennis

Dennis,

 

I report this during Beta Testing way back when...............you are correct in that the only way at this time to get any fittings to show is to export via the NWC addin in RST.

 

Mike

Mike Maloney
BIM Design Automation Coordinator
CH2M Hill
Message 9 of 14
ccc-tbarrett
in reply to: dennis

We also found that exporting the Revit file as a DWF will also bring in the connectors.

Message 10 of 14
KevinMurtha
in reply to: ccc-tbarrett

 

tried the exporter and its a rubbish workaround!!! once again a half baked approach from Autodesk.

 

we need to send clients a coloured up Navis NWD file so they can use the free viewer and see how the design is developing. if i export to NWC from revit, it means that i have to apply a colour set every time i want to send out a NWD file.

 

i want to merge the revit files into Navis, apply colours once and once only, and then as the revit model develops i can just refresh the NWF before publishing to NWD.

 

at the moment all i have is a revit model in Navis with no pipe fittings!!!

 

 

Message 11 of 14
dennis
in reply to: KevinMurtha

I must disagree, the Exporter isn't a workaround, afterall it came first.  Your workflow for color-coding would be the same even if the NWReader worked correctly.  Look into using the Appearance Profiler in NW.  Basic steps:

1) Export an NWC from Revit and open in NW.

2) Create your SearchSets

3) Assign colors to the SearchSets with the Appearance Profiler

4) Save the NWF

5) Export the Appearance Profiler DAT file (when new objects are introduced in updated NWCs, you will most likelly need to reload the DAT and rerun the Appearance Profiler) 

6) Export your SearchSets (may not need to reload these, but doesn't hurt to have a backup just in case)

7) Publish your NWD and send it out.

When you update the NWC from Revit, just overwrite the existing NWC that your NWF is referencing (or move it to a backup folder, then when NW can't find it, you will have a prompt to Reload From where you can select your new version of the exported NWC)

Check your color coding, and if need be, rerun the Appearance Profiler (see step 5).  The SearchSets should work just fine.

The link below has more on the Appearance Profiler:

http://appliedsoftwareblog.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2011-11-07T15:49:00-05:00&max-results=7&s...

 

Export from Revit Settings:
See attachment for the basic settings I use.  The view you export needs to be set to FINE Detail Level.

 

Message 12 of 14
KevinMurtha
in reply to: dennis

Dennis you are a star.

it is a much better way to do things and i have passed on the tips to my colluegues in the office and they are fired up as we have a better approach to similiar problem.

 

thanks again

Message 13 of 14
jseck
in reply to: dennis

Here is a blog post about Search Sets.  Makes sense to me.

 

http://beyonddesign.typepad.com/posts/2012/07/search-sets-vs-selection-sets.html

Jason Seck
BIM Specialist
Henderson Engineers, Inc.
Message 14 of 14
peterd
in reply to: dennis

There is a way of appending revit files directly in to a NWF file which shows all pipe fittings but unfortunately it can be a long winded affair.

You need to go in to each family file and change the visibility/graphic overrides so that BOTH the medium AND fine boxes are ticked under the detail levels.

Next, reload the family into your project, overwrite the existing family and then save/synchronize your project file.

Refresh your NWF file which the Revit project file is appened to and hey presto, your fittings should be displayed fully.

 

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