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Announcement concerning Discontinuation of Mechanical Desktop

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Message 1 of 93
sjbosley
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Announcement concerning Discontinuation of Mechanical Desktop

This is a copy of the annoucement sent to subscriptions customers earlier today:

Autodesk has terminated development of Autodesk® Mechanical Desktop® and will no longer release new versions of the product. This decision was made to allow Autodesk to focus on the development of the Autodesk® Inventor® and AutoCAD® Mechanical product lines.

As a result of this decision, Mechanical Desktop 2009 becomes the last version of the product to be made available.

Autodesk recognizes that our customers have created many Mechanical Desktop files containing their intellectual property. To protect this data, Autodesk is taking the following actions:


- In accordance with section 2.2.3 of the Subscription Terms and Conditions, Autodesk Support will continue to provide product support for Subscription customers for a period of no less than three years after the removal of Mechanical Desktop from the Inventor product line.

- Autodesk will continue to make Mechanical Desktop 2009 available for download with future releases of Inventor.

- Autodesk will continue to support the DWG Import wizard for Mechanical Desktop parts, assemblies and drawings.

- Despite anything to the contrary in our Subscription terms and conditions or our license agreement(s), Autodesk will allow customers the right to continue using earlier versions of Mechanical Desktop with Inventor releases.

For additional information, please contact your reseller.

Thank you for choosing Subscription for your Autodesk products.

Sincerely,

The Autodesk Subscription Team

Posted by Simon Bosley
Product Manager
Autodesk

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Message 41 of 93
JasonRhymes
in reply to: sjbosley

Here you go
JasonRhymes
You may recognize me from the
thousands of previous newsreader posts
I've made over the last 10+ years
as Jason Rhymes

Message 42 of 93
ed.galicki
in reply to: sjbosley

Well maybe it won't work in MDT-2009. Or in our situation anyway.

It will work when the part is local in the assembly. If the part is an insertion of a component from outside the assembly it doesn't work. Seems no matter what I do to inserted components I cannot make the materials have their effect on the parts.

I guess I can go out back and blow my brains out so I won't still feel so aggravated and angry and frustrated.

Thanks for the help anyway - I'll try just about anything except all those translations in and out.

eg
Message 43 of 93
Anonymous
in reply to: sjbosley


For many years I have been using a third party
software to produce all of our renderings (very inexpensive and a very user
friendly UI. You can be putting our good work the first day).

It is layer or object based and has no difficulty
rendering MDT or ACA models.

 


 

Aug
Message 44 of 93
ed.galicki
in reply to: sjbosley

I have been using Accurender almost since it came out. I didn't try that yet - but will - for MDT-2009.

It is still hard to convince a customer - that I already convinced to dump Pro-E and use MDT - to buy even more stuff. Add to that the fact they are discontinuing MDT.

I am so angry I wish there was really something I could do. I would like to find a way to get them on MDT6. It works, and it is the only one I really use. I only use newer versions to open stuff from customers and vendors.

Have you tried Accurender with MDT-2009?

Thanks

eg
Message 45 of 93
Anonymous
in reply to: sjbosley


I've shy'd away from 2009 at this point. I'm still
using MDT2008.

I use material by layers so,.....

It's a bit of a drag to have to remember to switch
layers for different types of objects. If you don't you have to change them both
in the properties window and in the parts browser to make materials stick. That
way they will render regardless of if an assembly is active or not.

 

Aug
Message 46 of 93
Anonymous
in reply to: sjbosley


We originally purchased upgrades every other
release but when one of our engineers started using IV we went to a subscription
program.

Bad point is if you read the Autodesk replies is
they will keep up activations for three years. What's going to happen after
that? No more installs even if you own the software. I'm not sure that's even
legal.

 

Aug
Message 47 of 93
ed.galicki
in reply to: sjbosley

Right - so what doI do when I build my next computer and need to load annd run this software. Where do we hire someone to help - maybe mercenaries?
Message 48 of 93
coviepresb1647
in reply to: sjbosley

I have used MDT and Inventor though not for a very long time. However, in using both, I believe that MDT is not superior to Inventor. I have also talked with my colleagues who have used both for a significantly longer time than I have, and they also believe that Inventor is superior to MDT. To create a simple model and drawing in Inventor is far more user friendly and easier in Inventor than MDT.
Message 49 of 93
coviepresb1647
in reply to: sjbosley

I am one of those who will not miss MDT or shed a tear over the discontinuation of MDT. Edited by: coviepresb1647 on Dec 2, 2008 2:23 PM
Message 50 of 93
Anonymous
in reply to: sjbosley


Simple is the operative term
here!
Message 51 of 93
coviepresb1647
in reply to: sjbosley

That's been my experience as I don't consider myself to be an Inventor or MDT expert yet and am working with relatively simple models. Yet my more experienced colleagues in my organization have found Inventor to be superior with complex models.
Message 52 of 93
Anonymous
in reply to: sjbosley


HERE WE GO AGAIN 😞  😞 
:( 


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I
have used MDT and Inventor though not for a very long time. However, in using
both, I believe that MDT is not superior to Inventor. I have also talked with
my colleagues who have used both for a significantly longer time than I have,
and they also believe that Inventor is superior to MDT. To create a simple
model and drawing in Inventor is far more user friendly and easier in Inventor
than MDT.
Message 53 of 93
coviepresb1647
in reply to: sjbosley

Is there another previous Autodesk Discussion Group thread on predominantly on MDT vs. IV? If so, then I will cease here and look there.
Message 54 of 93
Anonymous
in reply to: sjbosley


I've done straight up tests with experienced users
running both IV and MDT. The MDT users finish in about half the time with half
the overall file size (hard to compare cause IV inevitably has numerous files
for a single project no matter how simple).

MDT also produces much more legible drawings due to
the power of the program to develop drawings.

 

IV is fun but we're not in the business for the
fun. We need productivity!!

 

IMHO
Message 55 of 93
coviepresb1647
in reply to: sjbosley

I refer you back to the thread to which you immediately replied (my question). What is your answer to my question which is not about proving MDT over IV or IV over MDT but whether there is another previous thread discussion that addresses MDT vs. IV? Edited by: coviepresb1647 on Dec 2, 2008 5:19 PM
Message 56 of 93
Anonymous
in reply to: sjbosley

> I believe that MDT is not superior to Inventor.
> I have also talked with my colleagues who have
> used both for a significantly longer time

Which would be 2nd or 3rd semester students?

> an Inventor or MDT expert

Equivalent to a CAD drivers license learner permit.

> Is there another previous Autodesk Discussion Group
> thread on predominantly on MDT vs. IV?

Have you searched? Wet behind the ears newbies should
restrict themselves to such activity until they're
knowledgable enough to participate.
(see attachment: ng_discussion.zip)

Talk is cheap and I do sometimes enjoy it:

How does anyone other than a zealot or shill get off telling someone else
what's best for them?

How does anyone other than a complete idiot get off saying one program or
another is "superior" without putting it in some real world working
environment context and defining that environment? Is UG/NX6 superior
to NX3? What version is GM using? How far do you have to extrapolate to
get to switching to completely different programs and modeling paradigms?

Why would anyone do either?
Are they addressing their end user business competitors?
An audience among which they hope are future candidates for a sale?
Just think they know something and want to express it?

Did you purchase the software you are talking about?
Not evaluate.
Not a student copy.
Not a freebie Not_For_Resale copy.
Not issue a PO.
Your money.

Do you earn a living using the software?
Doing what?
For whom?
Where may examples of your work be found?
Examples of anything you've done?

Talk is cheap. If you think IV is better demonstrate it.
Otherwise you're just another wrinkled, smelly opinion.
Another beer can laying beside the disinformation highway.

(BTW where HAS Robert been? Hope he's doing well. One of
the last surviving long time 'good guys' IMO.)
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Message 57 of 93
c.henry
in reply to: sjbosley

this is the best thread since " vellum versus mylar "
Message 58 of 93
coviepresb1647
in reply to: sjbosley

Your insulting, offensive reply deserves no comment other than this.

"Which would be 2nd or 3rd semester students?"

My colleagues are mechanical designers that have worked 20+ years for a defense organization and are not college students.

"Equivalent to a CAD drivers license learner permit"

No, a novice is a learners permit. An expert is a professional motor racer. I am neither a novice nor an expert.

"Have you searched?"

Yes, as I implied by my original question, I have searched and found no other thread that is predominantly on MDT vs. IV.

"Wet behind the ears newbies should restrict themselves to such activity until they're knowledgable enough to participate. (see attachment: ng_discussion.zip)"

Wrong. First, I am not a novice. Second, novice can participate although they may and should share other's more experienced input that they have learned or heard.

"How does anyone other than a zealot or shill get off telling someone else what's best for them?"

LOL. I am not the one that's doing the getting-off here. From your insults, it strongly appears that you are telling me what's best for me and from the intensity, are the one getting off. Then again, what you are saying is erroneous since you are already mistaken on what I said and from where I'm coming.

"How does anyone other than a complete idiot get off saying one program or another is "superior" without putting it in some real world working
environment context and defining that environment?"

How does anyone other than a complete idiot come to an false conclusion to another's post and then from his/her own mistaken understanding, proceed to issue insulting, unsubtantiated virtriol against that other person? Have you asked sincere questions before issuing your vitriol? As I have ALREADY admitted, I don't have much experience with Inventor or MDT. Hence, I am sharing my more experienced colleagues' real-world work experiences with IV and MDT. Two others here claimed they can write pages and pages showing MDT over IV and they have yet to step up to plate here or in another thread.

"Do you earn a living using the software?"

Yes.

"Doing what?"

A Mechanical Engineer

"For whom?"

A defense organization

"Where may examples of your work be found?"

Due to the sensitive nature of our work, they can be found on our organization's Vault and other servers. The assets produced from those models and drawings can also be found rolling, flying, piloting, or roboting along in the Army, Navy, and other non-defence government agencies.

"Examples of anything you've done?"

I refer you to the immediately preceding reply.

"If you think IV is better demonstrate it. "

If you think MDT is superior to IV, then you, Alex, and Aug demonstrate it. I've nothing to say at this point.

"Otherwise you're just another wrinkled, smelly opinion. Another beer can laying beside the disinformation highway."

In light of your whole reply, do you always welcome person, whom you've concluded (in this case, erroneously) "wet behind the ears newbies", in this offensive, grossly prejudicial, highly insulting manner?

Unless you abandon your ad hominem, prejudicial reply; then I have nothing more to say to you and will disregard further comments from you except a penitent reply from you. I do not appreicate your offensive vitriol against me nor will I tolerate it. Your reply convinced me that you are a human bent on destructive criticism and insulting all people (new, intermediate, and expert) instead of welcoming new people, helping people, and contributing positively to the DG's. Are you a troll? Edited by: coviepresb1647 on Dec 3, 2008 1:08 PM
Message 59 of 93
Anonymous
in reply to: sjbosley


To angry one.

Visit:


You will find a wide variety assemblies
created in MDT.

They all from a few parts to huge
systems.

All parametrically constructed, constrained, BOM'd
easy updatable 3D to 2D in one file
again
.

Some of them mechanically simulated and created SWF
files.

Nobody trying to tell which prog is
better.

People are sharing their own opinions about a
practicality of the tool they are using.

If some prefers IV to MDT that's fine.

Hopefully all those threads will help Autodesk with
further

improvement their products.

 

Regards

Alex   

 


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Your
insulting, offensive reply deserves no comment other than this. "Which would
be 2nd or 3rd semester students?" My colleagues are mechanical designers that
have worked 20+ years for a defense organization and not college students.
"Equivalent to a CAD drivers license learner permit" No, a novice is a
learners permit. An expert is a professional motor racer. I am neither a
novice nor an expert. "Have you searched?" Yes, I have searched. "Wet behind
the ears newbies should restrict themselves to such activity until they're
knowledgable enough to participate. (see attachment: ng_discussion.zip)"
Wrong. First, I am not a novice. Second, novice can participate although they
may and should share other's more experienced input that they have learned or
heard. "How does anyone other than a zealot or shill get off telling someone
else what's best for them?" LOL. I am not the one that's doing the getting off
here. "How does anyone other than a complete idiot get off saying one program
or another is "superior" without putting it in some real world working
environment context and defining that environment?" How does anyone other than
a complete idiot come to an false conclusion to another's post and then from
his/her own mistaken understanding, proceed to issue insulting, unsubtantiated
virtriol against that other person? Have you asked sincere questions before
issuing your vitriol? As I have ALREADY admitted, I don't have much experience
with Inventor or MDT. Hence, I am sharing my more experienced colleagues'
real-world work. "Do you earn a living using the software?" Yes. "Doing what?"
A Mechanical Engineer "For whom?" A Defense organization "Where may examples
of your work be found?" Due to the sensitive nature, they can be found on our
organziation's Vault and other servers. "Examples of anything you've done?" I
refer you to the immediately preceding reply. "If you think IV is better
demonstrate it. " There already has been demonstrated by more experienced
users. If you think MDT is superior to IV, then you, Alex, and Aug demonstrate
it. "Otherwise you're just another wrinkled, smelly opinion. Another beer can
laying beside the disinformation highway." In light of your insulting reply,
do you always welcome person, whom you've concluded (in this case,
erroneously) "wet behind the ears newbies", in this offensive manner? Unless
you abandon your virtriolic, ad hominem, prejudicial reply; then I have
nothing more to say to you and will disregard further comments from you except
an apology from you. Your reply convinced me that you are a human bent on
destructive criticism and insulting people. Good Day.
Message 60 of 93
coviepresb1647
in reply to: sjbosley

Alex,

Thanks. I will check it. Indeed, you are right to call me Angry One as I am both justly and righteously angry but not at you since you have not offended or insulted me.

Signed,
Righteously Angry One Edited by: coviepresb1647 on Dec 3, 2008 1:36 PM

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