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Add "Aligned Orientation" option to Break View

Status: Accepted
by Mentor on ‎09-12-2013 12:47 PM

Ever had a drawing where you wanted an aligned to edge orientation for a break view? I have!!!

 

 If yes, please vote to add this simple yet highly effective functionality I feel has always been missing.

 

Example. Bent piece of pipe that I wanted to put on a B size drawing and in full scale. Can't use the Break tool on the bent section and keep the break aligned how I want it due to limitation of only Vertical or Horizontal Break orientation....

 

BREAK1.jpg

 

 

Result of horizontal break. Not nice to look at in this case is it?

 

BREAK3.jpg

 

My proposed fancy new "Aligned" orientation button....

 

BREAK2ALIGNED.jpg

 

 

You would use Edge selection to select the edge you want your Break to be perpendicular to (or possibly ability to edit the Break properties at the sketch level?).....

 

BREAKper2.jpg

 

The end result would be a MUCH nicer and desired result....

 

break4.jpg

Status: Accepted

Accepted idea [US19754]. Thanks!

 

This idea is similar to http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/ideas/v2/ideapage/blog-id/v1232/article-id/2141

Comments
by Valued Contributor timdown73 on ‎09-12-2013 12:56 PM

Kudos! 

by Mentor on ‎09-13-2013 07:37 AM

Thank you for the kudos!!!

by *Pro on ‎09-16-2013 04:16 AM

Instaed of a new feature way don't you make the long section you want to break in the horizontal?

by Mentor ‎09-16-2013 06:28 AM - edited ‎09-16-2013 06:47 AM

I can't do that due of a dimension from the bottom of the theoretical floor to the top edge of the angled pipe. It is a reference dimension they use out in the shop floor to easily check the angle of the pipe. If I lay my angled section 'flat on the ground' then that dimension is not possible to measure on the drawing. Also there are times where the geometry is more complex than a pipe and simply rotating the view is not an option.

 

Instead of creating yet another Inventor work around, which takes more time for setting up views and in this case wouldn't work, why not allow for more flexibility? Why do I have to be limited to horizontal and vertical? Why can't I have the ability to quickly create views without jumping through hoops? I think those are better questions to ask.

 

 

 

 

by *Pro on ‎09-16-2013 07:51 AM

It is not a work around really.

 

If it was industry standard it would have been a feature option. In 20 plus years of engineering I have never seen it done..

 

 But you are telling me is that you put a floor to top of pipe dimension in a detail drawing? So If it gets changed you hope the detail guy remembers to change it?

 

 How does this  help the welder?

Does he get a detail drawing also?

Does the welder not get a drawing showing that in a weld drawing?

 

Don't get me wrong if needed put it in but just trying to understand why? When my mind says what you are doing by putting a floor to top of pipe dim in a detail drawing is not a standard. And if Autodesk has to put an option in for everyone's none-standard ways they are going to be busy..

 

Just trying to understand is all..

 

 

 

by Mentor ‎09-16-2013 12:23 PM - edited ‎09-16-2013 12:32 PM

Yes when a change is made to the part the shop floor gets a new drawing (actually we use Vault and they see the DWF on the shop floor via Thinweb client). This drawing has nothing to do with a weldment at this stage. They use this perticular dimension to ensure the pipe has the correct angle on it when in the check fixture.

 

Ever heard of Siemens NX (Unigraphics)? Yea, you can do much more with their Break than you could dream of in Inventor. Does that mean Inventor shouldn't compete against other CAD packages that currently do offer such features? With NX you can select the vector(s) to define exactly where and how you want your Break to look.

 

Perhaps these videos will help open your eyes on giving Inventor users more functionality and not just more "fluff" each release....

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bsg38gJdiY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p659tK41O7Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rxd29VBoC4

by *Pro on ‎09-17-2013 07:50 AM

Yes I have heard and used Siemens 2 years they do have some nice things but also really not so nice things..

 

 They use way to many clicks to get to anything something like Inventor is starting to do and I hated it then and starting to hate it in Inventor.

 

 Does it mean Inventor should not compete? Well let us look at it this way. Inventor is built to have Drafting Standards where Siemens don't care about standards this is why it is very hard to set it up and everyone doing the same. I kind of like every drawing to look the same not this guys way or that guys way...

 

 I mean did you look at how hard it is just to do a break view took the guy 10 clicks were Inventor is 3 maybe 4 if you move the cut.

 

 Everything in those videos should show everyone what not to want and with everyone coming from other software seems to want Inventor to be just as hard and clicky..

 

I don't understand..

 

 I wish Inventor would take out the new interface because of all the clicks it added to do anything.

 

 I rather Inventor stay with standards rather then let anyone do as they please in the drawing...

 

  I still don't understand how a floor dim is what you need to check the pipe angle but I also don't know your environment.

 

But thanks for trying to give me some insight..

by Mentor ‎09-17-2013 08:11 AM - edited ‎09-17-2013 08:23 AM

Please show me in any CAD standard that says a Break View must be Vertical or Horizontal.....

 

They are typically called "conventional breaks" when they are only vertical or horizontal. Therefore leading you to "unconventional breaks" when used otherwise.

 

I'm not saying Inventor has to follow exactly what Siemens does. It doesn't need to be a zillion other clicks (lord knows we do that enough in Inventor already). My point was that it DOES exist out there, which you tried to imply otherwise. Clearly there is a use for such times when needed, or people would not be voting for this idea.

 

Thanks for your input.

by *Pro on ‎09-17-2013 09:23 AM

 

 In all cad standards books or drafting standards there is only a "conventional breaks" there is never anything on "unconventional breaks" there is a reason but will not go into it.

 

 

  And yes it does exist out there but it does not mean it is right..

 

 That would be like saying they have illegal drugs out there seeing they are out there might as well use them..

 

 All I was saying is Inventor is or was keyed on standards where the other software don't care or is trying to catch up with Inventor..

And with everyone's wishes Inventor may not be to much longer...

 

Thanks for the chat good luck..

by Contributor MDS-MQ on ‎09-23-2013 12:19 PM

Rotate yuor view to be horizontal then break it...

 

It is too bad there are not more experiaced useres of Inventor.

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