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*Caldwell, Larry
Message 11 of 18 (47 Views)

Re:

11-14-2002 01:08 AM in reply to: rstadler
Wonder if Leonardo could write "the perfect CAD
package" anyone know his number? <G>

~Larry 


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Yes it's a 2 step process...

 

If you can find the perfect CAD package that does
EVERYTHING then yes...(and be sure to tell us what it is..)


--
Sean Dotson, PE

href="http://www.sdotson.com">http://www.sdotson.com

...sleep is for
the weak..
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You
put your left foot in, you put your left foot out, you chuck IV6 out the
window and buy something else...
Valued Contributor
rstadler
Posts: 59
Registered: ‎12-11-2003
Message 12 of 18 (47 Views)

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11-14-2002 01:21 AM in reply to: rstadler
All in all, I'm not to terribly disatisfied w/ IV6. It just seems like they missed a few BASIC things (and keep missing them through all the releases). A SIMPLE way to mirror an assembly is a good example. Hopefully SP1 will be the answer to all your prayers - we'll find out tomorrow if the Autodesk server doesn't overload. My other question still remains... are you supposed to be able to include the same IPT into different weldment IAMs and machine them w/o this persistance error?
*Allen, Albert
Message 13 of 18 (47 Views)

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11-14-2002 01:23 AM in reply to: rstadler
I have found that if I make a derived part from an
assembly to use as a mirrored assembly I will use the same file name as the
assembly and just tack on "for derived" to the end of the file name. This way I
can easily find it but I can also easily tell that it's just a reference or
"dummy model" and not to use it for anything. Just my 2 bits worth.

 



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Wonder if Leonardo could write "the perfect CAD
package" anyone know his number? <G>

~Larry 


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Yes it's a 2 step process...

 

If you can find the perfect CAD package that
does EVERYTHING then yes...(and be sure to tell us what it
is..)


--
Sean Dotson, PE

href="http://www.sdotson.com">http://www.sdotson.com

...sleep is for
the weak..
-----------------------------------------


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You
put your left foot in, you put your left foot out, you chuck IV6 out the
window and buy something
else...
*Hinterhoeller, Richard
Message 14 of 18 (47 Views)

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11-14-2002 01:31 AM in reply to: rstadler
As Charles Bliss pointed out a while ago when this topic was raised, at
what point do you stop mirroring.

Do your right hand threads become left hand threads?

What about a mirrored assembly where the same components are used, but
just re-oriented? Do we want IV to generate a whole set of duplicate
parts that are just mirror images of the original?

If it were as easy as it initially sounds, I expect we'd have had the
tools already.

Just being the devil's advocate.

Richard
Valued Contributor
rstadler
Posts: 59
Registered: ‎12-11-2003
Message 15 of 18 (47 Views)

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11-14-2002 01:39 AM in reply to: rstadler
You (or Charles) make a good point. I had not thought about threads (although I suspect the right answer for 99% of us is No, you don't mirror threads). Rick
*Puschner, Michael
Message 16 of 18 (47 Views)

Re:

11-14-2002 01:57 AM in reply to: rstadler
I also would like to have a function for mirrored
assemblies.

But I think it's not that easy. Some parts in a
mirrored assembly

have to be mirrored parts. But what do you want to
get if

a part in the mirrored assembly is identically to
the one

in the original assembly? Similar
face=Arial size=2>parts with different part

numbers? What should happen
size=2>to Fasteners?

(What's about mirrored Fasteners with
face=Arial size=2>left

hand threads in the mirrored assembly?
<g>)

You see what I mean?
--
Michael
Puschner
mp@scholle.de

 

 

 

 


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All
in all, I'm not to terribly disatisfied w/ IV6. It just seems like they missed
a few BASIC things (and keep missing them through all the releases). A SIMPLE
way to mirror an assembly is a good example. Hopefully SP1 will be the answer
to all your prayers - we'll find out tomorrow if the Autodesk server doesn't
overload. My other question still remains... are you supposed to be able to
include the same IPT into different weldment IAMs and machine them w/o this
persistance error?
Distinguished Contributor
mikeh
Posts: 240
Registered: ‎10-01-2003
Message 17 of 18 (47 Views)

Re: Weldment Assemblies w/ common subparts

11-14-2002 08:45 PM in reply to: rstadler
Just to add to Rick a little. What we would like to do and I think may work for him is to mirror the orientation of components in an assembly to create a new assembly. So the argument of threads is a valid one, but that would create new and unique part numbers.
An example would be a V-8 engine. The valve covers have 4 bolts on top symmetrically placed and 5 on the bottom symmetrically placed. Thus the and bolts that hold the cover on are identical, it's just that there orientaion is mirrored about the centerline of the engine. The parts don't mirror, just their orientation.

Just a wish item.
*Dotson, Sean
Message 18 of 18 (47 Views)

Re:

11-14-2002 09:44 PM in reply to: rstadler
An example would be a V-8 engine. The valve covers have 4 bolts on top
symmetrically placed and 5 on the bottom symmetrically placed.

 

On a Ford maybe...Mid 70s Chevy has 2 on top and 2
on bottom, but you do have a point...<g>


--
Sean Dotson, PE

href="http://www.sdotson.com">http://www.sdotson.com

...sleep is for the
weak..
-----------------------------------------


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Just
to add to Rick a little. What we would like to do and I think may work for him
is to mirror the orientation of components in an assembly to create a new
assembly. So the argument of threads is a valid one, but that would create new
and unique part numbers.
An example would be a V-8 engine. The valve
covers have 4 bolts on top symmetrically placed and 5 on the bottom
symmetrically placed. Thus the and bolts that hold the cover on are identical,
it's just that there orientaion is mirrored about the centerline of the
engine. The parts don't mirror, just their orientation.

Just a wish item.

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