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The New PhoneBooks here! (The Vault)

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rllthomas
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‎07-24-2003 06:33 AM
‎07-24-2003 06:33 AM

The New PhoneBooks here! (The Vault)

OK maybe that reference was a bit esoteric but for those of you who saw the movie "The Jerk" I'm excited like Steve Martin was when running around yelling about the new phone book.



Subscription members can now log in and download "The Vault" which is the major new functionality you received with R7. Better late than never!



Maybe some feel it is worthless but the vault is more important to our business than accurate dwg in and out. It is certainly welcome functionality for us.



Rich Thomas
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Anonymous
in reply to: rllthomas
‎07-24-2003 11:00 AM
‎07-24-2003 11:00 AM

Thanks Brian

For some reason it didn't even dawn on my that I could check both at
once. For some reason I was thinking they were radio buttons rather
than check boxes.

I will have to play with it tomorrow and see I can get it to work.

--
Kent Keller
http://www.MyMcad.com/KWiK/Mcad.htm

Assistant Moderator
Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program

"Brian Broepke (Autodesk)" wrote in message
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> Kent,
>
> Remove the software and do install again using the client and the
server
> option. I know you don't normally have to do this but the way we
install
> SQL server required us to do it this way.
>
> Brian Roepke
> Autodesk
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Anonymous
in reply to: rllthomas
‎07-24-2003 11:49 AM
‎07-24-2003 11:49 AM

We were thinking about getting a new one set up but we wanted to see what
the traffic is like first - we might if it there are a lot of questions.

I will take this as a vote for "yes" to a vault news group!


"Ron Crain" wrote in message
news:293E83FBD546E5B8B006D01F8FDDACA4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Is there going to be a new newsgroup for Vault? I think that would be a
> good idea.
>
> "Kent Keller" wrote in message
> news:D834FA0AFDF1733B040303D2DBF9657B@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Ok being a single seat I have never looked into using anything like
this,
> so I am pretty
> > clueless.
>
>
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Anonymous
in reply to: rllthomas
‎07-24-2003 03:27 PM
‎07-24-2003 03:27 PM

For those of you who don't know, Brian Roepke, who has posted info in this thread is, well, basically, the father of the Vault. He came over from TruEinnovations to continue to develop and implement the Vault into Inventor. He's new to this group, so treat him fairly so that he will continue to aid many of us in the use of the Vault. Mike@RTSWright.
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Anonymous
in reply to: rllthomas
‎07-24-2003 08:22 PM
‎07-24-2003 08:22 PM

So Brian's the CryptKeeper?

Hey Brian, been a long time...

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Sean Dotson, PE
http://www.sdotson.com
Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
www.sdotson.com/faq.html
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"MDB" wrote in message
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> For those of you who don't know, Brian Roepke, who has posted info in this
thread is, well, basically, the father of the Vault. He came over from
TruEinnovations to continue to develop and implement the Vault into
Inventor. He's new to this group, so treat him fairly so that he will
continue to aid many of us in the use of the Vault. Mike@RTSWright.
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Anonymous
in reply to: rllthomas
‎07-24-2003 08:35 PM
‎07-24-2003 08:35 PM

Hey if they split up R6 & R7 then I say make a new one for the Vault also.

Or you could use the legacy group. No one would notice

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Sean Dotson, PE
http://www.sdotson.com
Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
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"Brian Roepke (Autodesk)" wrote in message
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> We were thinking about getting a new one set up but we wanted to see what
> the traffic is like first - we might if it there are a lot of questions.
>
> I will take this as a vote for "yes" to a vault news group!
>
>
> "Ron Crain" wrote in message
> news:293E83FBD546E5B8B006D01F8FDDACA4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Is there going to be a new newsgroup for Vault? I think that would be a
> > good idea.
> >
> > "Kent Keller" wrote in message
> > news:D834FA0AFDF1733B040303D2DBF9657B@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Ok being a single seat I have never looked into using anything like
> this,
> > so I am pretty
> > > clueless.
> >
> >
>
>
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Anonymous
in reply to: rllthomas
‎07-24-2003 08:55 PM
‎07-24-2003 08:55 PM

I notice in the readme file stating the OS requirements are Windows 2000
Server SP3 for the server. The server we have here has NT Server 4.0 SP6 OS.
So will vault work with it or do we have to upgrade the OS? Also will it
make any difference if the server has 128 MB of RAM while the recommend
minimum is 256 MB? That makes it two things that needs upgrading. I don't
know if I can do that since we are kinda on budget around here.... Please
advice...

Thanks,
--
Derek Sevier
Mechanical Design Engineer
Quality Corporation
derek dot s at donkeyforklift dot com
www.donkeyforklift.com


"Brian Broepke (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:D48C5A5AD45C29EF7CF9978C2A1B876C@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Kent,
>
> Remove the software and do install again using the client and the server
> option. I know you don't normally have to do this but the way we install
> SQL server required us to do it this way.
>
> Brian Roepke
> Autodesk
>
> "Kent Keller" wrote in message
> news:AA9B9BFF0CC05C992B5331A0B8C014D5@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Ok so how do you install it on the server? If I run the install again
to
> try to select
> > the Server install it brings up the repair installation dialog? I
> suppose I need to get
> > the Network guy involved, I was just hoping to play with it on the side
> for a while first.
> >
> > As Sean said, the server supposedly can be on any computer though.
> >
> > --
> > Kent
> > Assistant Moderator
> > Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
> >
> >
> > "rllthomas" wrote in message
> news:f17ac19.6@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Yes, server would be the server LOL.
> >
> >
>
>
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mikeh7
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in reply to: rllthomas
‎07-24-2003 09:18 PM
‎07-24-2003 09:18 PM

My reseller told me that we need Microsoft SQL which has a free version which limits you to 750,000 records and every check in or check out is a record. He felt for what we do that we'd get into trouble in the future. He said we should buy the SQL verion that has unlimited records (limited to your hardware). I don't think it's a sales pitch, but can anyone confirm what he said.

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Anonymous
in reply to: rllthomas
‎07-24-2003 09:20 PM
‎07-24-2003 09:20 PM

good grief...don't like DOS, huh...then you'd love
Linux...


--
Mark A. Bystry
Engineer
Ziggity Systems, Inc.

href="mailto:mbystry@ziggity,com">mbystry@ziggity,com

 

Dell Precision 420 Workstation
Dual 933 MHz Pentium III
WinXP Pro
SP1
768 MB RDRAM
PNY Quadro4 750 XGL
nVidia 6.14.01.4351


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"Anthony Fettig" <afettig at entrusttool dot com> wrote in message

href="news:19B8501D8955612E197B98A3AE1F128B@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb">news:19B8501D8955612E197B98A3AE1......

It looks like a promising yet possibly confusing
way to manage thousands of files. I will have to study the vault instructions
again, but one phrase jumped out at me:

 

"Open a command prompt"

 

Uh...I used DOS in from 1983 to the early
90's.  Don't make me go back to it.

 

Anthony.


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OK
maybe that reference was a bit esoteric but for those of you who saw the
movie "The Jerk" I'm excited like Steve Martin was when running around
yelling about the new phone book.


Subscription members can now log in and download "The Vault" which is the
major new functionality you received with R7. Better late than
never!


Maybe some feel it is worthless but the vault is more important to our
business than accurate dwg in and out. It is certainly welcome functionality
for us.


Rich Thomas

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Anonymous
in reply to: rllthomas
‎07-24-2003 09:22 PM
‎07-24-2003 09:22 PM

yup, i remeber working with brian a few years ago when i was using pro/e and
truE's pro/e purging program...

--
Mark A. Bystry
Engineer
Ziggity Systems, Inc.
mbystry@ziggity,com

Dell Precision 420 Workstation
Dual 933 MHz Pentium III
WinXP Pro SP1
768 MB RDRAM
PNY Quadro4 750 XGL
nVidia 6.14.01.4351
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Anonymous
in reply to: rllthomas
‎07-24-2003 09:48 PM
‎07-24-2003 09:48 PM

Have I missed a trick here, does this mean that the
Vault is a SQL Server database then and would need to have a SQL Server running?
Confused...!


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
My
reseller told me that we need Microsoft SQL which has a free version which
limits you to 750,000 records and every check in or check out is a record. He
felt for what we do that we'd get into trouble in the future. He said we
should buy the SQL verion that has unlimited records (limited to your
hardware). I don't think it's a sales pitch, but can anyone confirm what he
said.

Thanks!

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Anonymous
in reply to: rllthomas
‎07-24-2003 10:24 PM
‎07-24-2003 10:24 PM

WOW Brian your Alive!! Haven't talked to
you in a while I thought you fell of the face of the Earth. 

 

Is there any new trick's to installing this one
that is different from the original one?

I'm assuming we can use our original database or do
we have to start a new database.

talk to you later

 

Dustin Conklin

Powell Fabrication



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PS - Love the reference to the Jerk!  One of
my personal favorites.  How about the entire quote:

 

"The new phone book's here! The new phone book's here! This is the kind
of spontaneous publicity I need! My name in print! That really makes somebody!
Things are going to start happening to me now."

 


 

 


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
OK
maybe that reference was a bit esoteric but for those of you who saw the
movie "The Jerk" I'm excited like Steve Martin was when running around
yelling about the new phone book.


Subscription members can now log in and download "The Vault" which is the
major new functionality you received with R7. Better late than
never!


Maybe some feel it is worthless but the vault is more important to our
business than accurate dwg in and out. It is certainly welcome functionality
for us.


Rich Thomas

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Anonymous
in reply to: rllthomas
‎07-24-2003 10:29 PM
‎07-24-2003 10:29 PM

Vault should have its own group.


"Brian Roepke (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:E71F526041BFDA87E1270336D744CE66@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> We were thinking about getting a new one set up but we wanted to see what
> the traffic is like first - we might if it there are a lot of questions.
>
> I will take this as a vote for "yes" to a vault news group!
>
>
> "Ron Crain" wrote in message
> news:293E83FBD546E5B8B006D01F8FDDACA4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Is there going to be a new newsgroup for Vault? I think that would be a
> > good idea.
> >
> > "Kent Keller" wrote in message
> > news:D834FA0AFDF1733B040303D2DBF9657B@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Ok being a single seat I have never looked into using anything like
> this,
> > so I am pretty
> > > clueless.
> >
> >
>
>
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Anonymous
in reply to: rllthomas
‎07-24-2003 10:37 PM
‎07-24-2003 10:37 PM

Yes the Vault runs on a SQL server.  When you
install the Vault, if you select server during the install, it will install MSDE
(Microsoft Desktop Engine).  MSDE is a free scaled-down version of MS SQL
Server which should be sufficient for a small business/department.


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

Have I missed a trick here, does this mean that
the Vault is a SQL Server database then and would need to have a SQL Server
running? Confused...!


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
My
reseller told me that we need Microsoft SQL which has a free version which
limits you to 750,000 records and every check in or check out is a record.
He felt for what we do that we'd get into trouble in the future. He said we
should buy the SQL verion that has unlimited records (limited to your
hardware). I don't think it's a sales pitch, but can anyone confirm what he
said.

Thanks!

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Message 34 of 81
Anonymous
in reply to: rllthomas
‎07-24-2003 11:34 PM
‎07-24-2003 11:34 PM

The vault server software will not run on Windows NT server 4. Only Win2k.
There are components we use for the server that aren't supported on NT. The
client software will work on a NT box, like Inventor.

I think I should not as well that you don't need a windows 2000 server box
for the "server" Windows 2k professional works fine.

Brian Roepke
Autodesk


"Derek Sevier" wrote in message
news:03F961AF78A450458990E9DA84079B58@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I notice in the readme file stating the OS requirements are Windows 2000
> Server SP3 for the server. The server we have here has NT Server 4.0 SP6
OS.
> So will vault work with it or do we have to upgrade the OS? Also will it
> make any difference if the server has 128 MB of RAM while the recommend
> minimum is 256 MB? That makes it two things that needs upgrading. I don't
> know if I can do that since we are kinda on budget around here.... Please
> advice...
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Derek Sevier
> Mechanical Design Engineer
> Quality Corporation
> derek dot s at donkeyforklift dot com
> www.donkeyforklift.com
>
>
> "Brian Broepke (Autodesk)" wrote in message
> news:D48C5A5AD45C29EF7CF9978C2A1B876C@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Kent,
> >
> > Remove the software and do install again using the client and the server
> > option. I know you don't normally have to do this but the way we
install
> > SQL server required us to do it this way.
> >
> > Brian Roepke
> > Autodesk
> >
> > "Kent Keller" wrote in message
> > news:AA9B9BFF0CC05C992B5331A0B8C014D5@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Ok so how do you install it on the server? If I run the install again
> to
> > try to select
> > > the Server install it brings up the repair installation dialog? I
> > suppose I need to get
> > > the Network guy involved, I was just hoping to play with it on the
side
> > for a while first.
> > >
> > > As Sean said, the server supposedly can be on any computer though.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Kent
> > > Assistant Moderator
> > > Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
> > >
> > >
> > > "rllthomas" wrote in message
> > news:f17ac19.6@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > Yes, server would be the server LOL.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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Anonymous
in reply to: rllthomas
‎07-24-2003 11:35 PM
‎07-24-2003 11:35 PM

Count em - Three Votes!


"Dan Sponholz" wrote in message
news:29FAC7FE121E46B9F74E97813E3E59A3@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Vault should have its own group.
>
>
> "Brian Roepke (Autodesk)" wrote in message
> news:E71F526041BFDA87E1270336D744CE66@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > We were thinking about getting a new one set up but we wanted to see
what
> > the traffic is like first - we might if it there are a lot of questions.
> >
> > I will take this as a vote for "yes" to a vault news group!
> >
> >
> > "Ron Crain" wrote in message
> > news:293E83FBD546E5B8B006D01F8FDDACA4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Is there going to be a new newsgroup for Vault? I think that would be
a
> > > good idea.
> > >
> > > "Kent Keller" wrote in message
> > > news:D834FA0AFDF1733B040303D2DBF9657B@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > Ok being a single seat I have never looked into using anything like
> > this,
> > > so I am pretty
> > > > clueless.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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Anonymous
in reply to: rllthomas
‎07-24-2003 11:37 PM
‎07-24-2003 11:37 PM

You can continue to use the tools that you already
have in place - Inventor doesn't require the vault to run.  Just don't
install it.  Two vaulting systems on one box wouldn't work all that
well.


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So what's the
crack for those of us already using EDM, PDM packages from Conisio,
Cyco and the rest?


size=2>Regards


size=2>MattH


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OK
maybe that reference was a bit esoteric but for those of you who saw the
movie "The Jerk" I'm excited like Steve Martin was when running around
yelling about the new phone book.


Subscription members can now log in and download "The Vault" which is the
major new functionality you received with R7. Better late than
never!


Maybe some feel it is worthless but the vault is more important to our
business than accurate dwg in and out. It is certainly welcome functionality
for us.


Rich Thomas

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Anonymous
in reply to: rllthomas
‎07-24-2003 11:38 PM
‎07-24-2003 11:38 PM

This is a new version so you won't be able to use
your old database as-is - Give Dean a call or e-mail and he can help you
out.


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WOW Brian your Alive!! Haven't talked to
you in a while I thought you fell of the face of the Earth. 

 

Is there any new trick's to installing this one
that is different from the original one?

I'm assuming we can use our original database or
do we have to start a new database.

talk to you later

 

Dustin Conklin

Powell Fabrication



style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

PS - Love the reference to the Jerk!  One
of my personal favorites.  How about the entire quote:

 

"The new phone book's here! The new phone book's here! This is the kind
of spontaneous publicity I need! My name in print! That really makes
somebody! Things are going to start happening to me now."

 


 

 


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
OK
maybe that reference was a bit esoteric but for those of you who saw the
movie "The Jerk" I'm excited like Steve Martin was when running around
yelling about the new phone book.


Subscription members can now log in and download "The Vault" which is
the major new functionality you received with R7. Better late than
never!


Maybe some feel it is worthless but the vault is more important to our
business than accurate dwg in and out. It is certainly welcome
functionality for us.


Rich Thomas

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Anonymous
in reply to: rllthomas
‎07-24-2003 11:39 PM
‎07-24-2003 11:39 PM

That is interesting! Mark I remember working with you as well. Wow... I
see you have switch teams. Welcome.

"Mark A. Bystry" wrote in message
news:9B9E8DFF1211DF8B951ADA8EDA339113@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> yup, i remeber working with brian a few years ago when i was using pro/e
and
> truE's pro/e purging program...
>
> --
> Mark A. Bystry
> Engineer
> Ziggity Systems, Inc.
> mbystry@ziggity,com
>
> Dell Precision 420 Workstation
> Dual 933 MHz Pentium III
> WinXP Pro SP1
> 768 MB RDRAM
> PNY Quadro4 750 XGL
> nVidia 6.14.01.4351
>
>
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Anonymous
in reply to: rllthomas
‎07-24-2003 11:42 PM
‎07-24-2003 11:42 PM

Correct - MS allows us to let you have the scaled
down version of SQL for free.  A great way to get started for a littler
larger group (+10 users) or most likely more than enough.

 

As far as what your VAR told you isn't really isn't
100% accurate.  the MSDE engine is limited to 2GB of meta data. 
Metadata = iProperties, Custom Properties, Parent child relationships,
etc.  But not the files.  How fast you get to the 2 GB of data is
grossly dependant on your data and how much text we pull out of the files when
they are added to the vault.

 

Brian Roepke

Autodesk

 


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Yes the Vault runs on a SQL server.  When
you install the Vault, if you select server during the install, it will
install MSDE (Microsoft Desktop Engine).  MSDE is a free scaled-down
version of MS SQL Server which should be sufficient for a small
business/department.


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

Have I missed a trick here, does this mean that
the Vault is a SQL Server database then and would need to have a SQL Server
running? Confused...!


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
My
reseller told me that we need Microsoft SQL which has a free version which
limits you to 750,000 records and every check in or check out is a record.
He felt for what we do that we'd get into trouble in the future. He said
we should buy the SQL verion that has unlimited records (limited to your
hardware). I don't think it's a sales pitch, but can anyone confirm what
he said.

Thanks!

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Anonymous
in reply to: rllthomas
‎07-24-2003 11:57 PM
‎07-24-2003 11:57 PM

well, i never wanted to use pro/e in the first place...managements decision.
luckily i no longer work for rittal. here at ziggity, i call the shots...so
back to autodesk where i belong...ha ha ha.

--
Mark A. Bystry
Engineer
Ziggity Systems, Inc.
mbystry@ziggity,com

Dell Precision 420 Workstation
Dual 933 MHz Pentium III
WinXP Pro SP1
768 MB RDRAM
PNY Quadro4 750 XGL
nVidia 6.14.01.4351

"Brian Roepke (Autodesk)" wrote in message
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> That is interesting! Mark I remember working with you as well. Wow... I
> see you have switch teams. Welcome.
>
> "Mark A. Bystry" wrote in message
> news:9B9E8DFF1211DF8B951ADA8EDA339113@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > yup, i remeber working with brian a few years ago when i was using pro/e
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> > truE's pro/e purging program...
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> > Mark A. Bystry
> > Engineer
> > Ziggity Systems, Inc.
> > mbystry@ziggity,com
> >
> > Dell Precision 420 Workstation
> > Dual 933 MHz Pentium III
> > WinXP Pro SP1
> > 768 MB RDRAM
> > PNY Quadro4 750 XGL
> > nVidia 6.14.01.4351
> >
> >
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