Moving the bolts i added into the reference part kinda had the same effect as having them in the assembly itself..
Everything shows when they are there, but when I delete them it missing again..
I also derived the assembly into another part... added this in the main assembly (the one with the 3 circular structures) and set it to "reference".... And everything shows again....
Thank you for sending the dataset. I was playing with it and found that while placing the base view the Model State>Margin needs to be adjusted from 0 value. In my case with value 49 or less I'm getting exactly same picture as you posted. Value 50 and above shows the whole view.
You may edit the existing view by double click on it and change te value as well.
Reference parts are not considered to fit into a view by default. Therefore it needs to by adjusted manualy if you want to show them.
"Reference parts are not considered to fit into a view by default. Therefore it needs to by adjusted manualy if you want to show them."
I'm not sure that is the issue. I'm pretty sure we all understand that you've got to adjust the view margin to get reference parts to show, but the behavior we're seeing is something else!
With the margins where they were:
Why does the whole body of his tank show but not the door?
If you look back at the pictures, in the top view the flange around the bottom of the reference sub assembly shows, but not in the side view. Why?
Why is it not cutting the parts at the margin? My 2013 does - but some content center parts in my sub assembly disappear if they are outside of some different margin, what's up with that?
Is there a setting to cut all parts at the view margin, or was this something that was changed from 2013 to 2014? Was it announced in the "What's New"? Is there a way to get it to treat the sub assembly the same way it treats its parts?
What is the deal with my experience with a bolt cutting at the margin but lockwasher and nut being all or nothing at a different distance - is that also changed in 2014 - if so, is it just wrong in a slightly different way?
The answer to the original problem is to adjust the view margin - but the way it looked, it's hard to see that that was the issue. Sub assembly parts that are almost entirely within other sub assembly parts that are completely shown aren't shown - and it changes from view to view. If the reference parts were cut off at the view margin it would be obvious, just make it bigger until it all shows, but the behavior in idw.PNG in the first post makes it hard tell that's the problem.
Maybe if there was a checkbox, "Include reference in view margin calculation" or something. Every time I've used them I had to adjust the margin to show the whole thing, but I could possibly see wanting reference parts cut off - but the way it appears to work in 2014, I don't see how anyone would want that.
So, why does it do what it did?
Thanks for spending time checking this.
Seeing that you get the whole model to show using margins of 50 makes me believe that there is something wrong with some of my other settings... Changing it to 50 makes no difference to me. The flange is still missing.
As written earlier I have just done a fresh install of 2014, and moved all our models from our previous company (used 2013) into this fresh install. This could lead to some settings being wrong at my side, thou the installment was done by our CAD supplier so settings SHOULD be correct...
In addition, I have to agree with dan_inv09, having too small margins should not "hide" whole sub-assys, it should cut it directly off (like shown on the attached picture, using margins of 10)
I have been using this reference method for quite some years now, and something feels weird in 2014 so far....
This is what I get in 2013. The reference is actually cut.
ktb's still seems to be showing the entire part if it crosses the view margin (except now it only shows half of the main body - was that two pieces before? I wonder why the other half was showing before - did you change something in the model?).
I dropped a 4 x 4 pattern of reference bolts behind and cranked the margin from 0.3-something to 5.
I wondered why the top left (actually, it's the second row - the top row is outside the view margin) wasn't showing up in the lower picture. So, I turned off the visibllity of the reference housing and there it is. What sort of decision making process does Inventor go through with reference parts and drawing views?
I think you need to go through the code and take a hard look at everywhere you put a "RND(), because this behavior certainly doesn't seem to have any sort of consistency.
Apparantly the problem I am having will be fixed with the arrival of the first SP...
Jozef has tested my models in the SP and all seems fine there...
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