More AIP news...

[Anonymous]

Hopefully this won't create another huge thread of griping, but give all of our concerns and the miscommunication that we seem to be having with Autodesk, I thought I should pass this along.

Last night Peter Adams (Product Marketing Manager, just under Andrew Anagnost in the chain) gave a presentation at my local user's group on AIP. In the presentation he stated explicitly that "significant improvements" in the IDW environment and in IDW<->DWG translation were the targets of "the next release". He also acknowledged that we don't seem to be taking to the whole idea of AIP as well as Autodesk hoped. 🙂

From the presentations, the discussion that followed, and the postings here on the board, and far more marketing experience than any engineer should be forced to endure, I would like to make the following guess as to what is the disconnect between what we are saying and what they are saying:

Their marketing people decided that this new product should be called "Professional" because it sounded good and made it easier to ask for more money. What they should have called it is "Specialist" or "Adjunct" or something like that (I never said I was any GOOD at the marketing stuff).

From the presentation and discussions, AIP is just AIS with some plug-ins. For a variety of (marginally) valid reasons they are simply selling all of the plug-ins as a package rather than letting us buy the individual pieces. They are doing this largely because each of the new features in AIP constitutes the purchase of some company that produces the feature software and they need to recoup the costs.

It sounded like they genuinely understood that we were angry and frustrated and that they are trying to respond. Unfortunately, it did not appear that they quite grasped why we were so ticked. I expect that we will see how well they understood when they show us the next release.

[Anonymous]

Here's some Autodesk Advertising for you, in their words, There is tons more
of it out there if you want to see it. You might want to read some of the
current stuff so you can remember it a few years from now.

Steve

"Autodesk Inventor is Autodesk's premier high-performance 3D design system."
"Autodesk Inventor is Autodesk's solution for high-performance 3D design. As
a result, it is focused on the entire product development process, and will
continue to mature and grow to meet all our customer' design and process
needs."
"Key point: Autodesk Inventor is free to deliver a solution for your
complete product development needs today and in the future. SolidWorks will
always be constrained by its subordinate position to Catia."

"rllthomas" wrote in message
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> As an FYI, I suppose circumstances were different for us but we were never
promised one solution. Subscription was to keep us on the latest release of
Inventor. Nothing more or less was promised.
>
>
> Then again, we bought into IV before in the fall of 98, quite a while
before it was ever released. In any event I don't see things the same way as
most people but then again my history with IV is different than most. I
certainly agree that too many bugs, unfinished features, and drawing issues
exist. I've never found anyone that disagreed with me on that.
>

[Anonymous]

"If Autodesk, SW, ProE or whomever were to have every feature normally
supplied by a 3rd party vendor would you be satisfied? Think before you speak.
And think about Microsoft and their situation [perceived monopoly]."

I for one like MS having a monopoly, I get all the
functionallity I requrie for one price (What autodesk promised
me).  I also get an OS that I know will be compatible with any software I
wish to buy.

I dont wish to debate this here, but people should stop and think of all
the good  the MS OS monopoly has done to the computing world.  Imagine
if the cost of software development (IE our purchase cost) if companies such as
Autodesk had to program for 3-4 different mainstrean OS's.

The time has come for it to end, but in its prime
the MS monopoly stabalized and standardized an industry that was growing
too fast for itself.

Just my opinionated 2cents

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Rimex Supply Ltd

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Here's
a thought for all.

If Autodesk, SW, ProE or whomever were to have every feature normally
supplied by a 3rd party vendor would you be satisfied? Think before you speak.
And think about Microsoft and their situation [perceived monopoly].

I think what should be considered is this, "Does any one of the companies
mentioned provide the best of everything." The answer is clearly no.

That being the case, why are you harping on one company or the other
providing all your tools. What about 3rd party vendors? How are they suppose
to survive if giants like Autodesk, SW and ProE are already providing limited
versions of their tools? They don't, they eventually go under or are bought
out [for MDT users think back to the days of
Genius.]

[Anonymous]

No but it would be nice that all the addons always worked with the latest release starting on the day the "latest" was released.



I don't know if this is the case but I think all the certified 3rd party suppliers should have to support the latest release the same day it was released.

[Anonymous]

Laughing out loud...not at you just the
thought.  How about Adesk being compatible on DAY 1, then I would worry
about the 3rd party guys.

just my .01

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"rllthomas" <
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No
but it would be nice that all the addons always worked with the latest release
starting on the day the "latest" was released.

I don't know if this is the case but I think all the certified 3rd party
suppliers should have to support the latest release the same day it was
released.

[Anonymous]

I think what you're seeing with your examples of SM and Animation are simply
migrations of toolsets into BASE CAD programs. What mid-range modeler
doesn't include these items these days?

"Paul Houlker" <666paulh@rimex.com666> wrote in message
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> > traditional "3rd party" apps.
>
> Like sheetmetal & animation?
>
> Again, the anger in this news group come from broken promises and lack of
a
> roadmap from autodesk.
> How can we justify the promotional upgrade pricing without know what
> autodesk considers to be PRO features?
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> Paul Houlker
> Rimex Supply Ltd
> www.rimex.com
>
>

[Anonymous]

> What would you consider non-basic. No sarcasm here.

Tasks specific to tube/pipe, schematic, those things included in the
functional add-ins which make-up AIP

[Anonymous]

Steve,

I believe you have a classic case of "over-interruptation". I don't think any company is going to include sufficiently functional software for CAM, FEA, document management, etc. Not Autodesk, Not SW, Not ProE. Those of you who have been down this road before with Autodesk [Workcenter???] know good and well what I'm saying. Anybody who honestly believes any company will provide a complete package [i.e. solid modeling + CAM, FEA, etc. now or in the future, I'm sorry, but you're living a pipe dream!

Joe
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[Anonymous]

Well, that will be for the courts to decide now won't it?

Steve

"joesu" wrote in message
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> Steve,
> I believe you have a classic case of "over-interruptation". I don't think
any company is going to include sufficiently functional software for CAM,
FEA, document management, etc. Not Autodesk, Not SW, Not ProE. Those of you
who have been down this road before with Autodesk [Workcenter???] know good
and well what I'm saying. Anybody who honestly believes any company will
provide a complete package [i.e. solid modeling + CAM, FEA, etc. now or in
the future, I'm sorry, but you're living a pipe dream!
>
> Joe
> --
>

[Anonymous]

There's nothing to decide. Because they didn't specify the meaning of complete, they have the backdoor option and you ... well you'd be wasting your time persuing it.

[Anonymous]

It's obvious to me that you don't understand the problem, Joe. The argument
you tried to make for me is not mine. I already own $13,000 worth of CAM
software, (an Autodesk partner) and am set to buy almost $30,000 worth of
Algor FEA multi-physics and fatigue software right after the first of the
year. I understand that Autodesk is a CAD company.



No need for you to worry about my time Joe, when it comes to matters of
principle I always have lots of time. I'm a patient man.



Steve



"joesu" wrote in message
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> There's nothing to decide. Because they didn't specify the meaning of
complete, they have the backdoor option and you ... well you'd be wasting
your time persuing it.

[Anonymous]

I wonder how you can consider tube/pipe a BASIC Task? Have you ever been to
one of your customers shops before? Have you taken a good look at the
machines they run/build?
Autodesk must think that Gas(es) and Electricity MAGICALLY appear at a
machine/press/stamping die or what ever type of equipment is being run. Or
maybe its just the fact that Autodesks' cusotmer base is strictly 100%
design with 0% manufacturing. I know that I work at an Engineering facility,
but we are only 1 of 4 faclities for this company in the US (The other 3 are
Manufacturing). I believe that with the statement below I have determined
Autodesk's flaw, the believe that since they have designed a "designing"
program that their ENTIRE customer base is 100% Design and 0% Manufacturing.

Gary Marzetti

"Gary R Smith (Autodesk)" wrote in message
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> > What would you consider non-basic. No sarcasm here.
>
> Tasks specific to tube/pipe, schematic, those things included in the
> functional add-ins which make-up AIP
>
>

[Anonymous]

Oh, I understand it all too well. You want $13K + 30K worth of software functionality and a core software application like IV, SW or ProE for roughly $5K to 7K! It's not going to happen. Not at the level of functionality you'll paying for now.

Joe
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[Anonymous]

Your argueing on the fringe here, Joe.  Some
of us would just like to see many of the existing half-finished features
finished - not freebies.

Dave

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Oh,
I understand it all too well. You want $13K + 30K worth of software
functionality and a core software application like IV, SW or ProE for roughly
$5K to 7K! It's not going to happen. Not at the level of functionality you'll
paying for now.

Joe
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[Anonymous]

Awfully lame, Joe. Let me guess, with the level of comprehension you've
displayed here you either work for or are trying to get a job with the
Autodesk marketing team.

Steve


"joesu" wrote in message
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> Oh, I understand it all too well. You want $13K + 30K worth of software
functionality and a core software application like IV, SW or ProE for
roughly $5K to 7K! It's not going to happen. Not at the level of
functionality you'll paying for now.
> Joe
> --
>

[Anonymous]

> "joesu" wrote
> Oh, I understand it all too well. You want $13K + 30K worth of software
functionality and a core software application like IV, > SW or ProE for
roughly $5K to 7K! It's not going to happen. Not at the level of
functionality you'll paying for now.
>Joe

That is the proplem, Autodesk i making Inventor Professional for Armatures.
The pro user will buy the basic Inventor, and buy 3. part software that get
the job done.

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Brian