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Windows 8 Pro is what $200 at retail?
Product Design Suite is $5000 to $10000 retail, depending on version. What does annual maintenance run? 10%- 20% of purchase price?
PC to run the software $2000-$3000 or more.
Salary and Benefits for the Engineer/Designer who uses the software?
OS cost is a rounding error in budgeting for Autodesk's customers. Even if you add in the expense of MS Excel, you don't make a significant change in the cost of making a CAD drawing.
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Have you priced out the packages/seats that you listed as Linux friendly. The money you saved will more than pay for a Windows O/S license along with a new workstation for Inventor on Windows.
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There's a ton of development issues with creating and maintaining cross platform applications. Development is rarely done "ground up" these days - software is built using tool sets inherent to the operating system. Best example of this is dotNET for Windows, as well as DirectX. This allows relatively complex programs to be developed such that the programmers can focus on the program and not the nuts'n'bolts. Of course this also tightly ties that software to the operating system supported by said tool sets. You can't just copy the code over to Linux or Mac without having an equivalent tool set to draw from. And with the traditional field of "I'm a Linux user and Microsoft sux", "I'm a Mac user and Microsoft sux", etc. users there isn't much impetus for developing and maintaining such cross-platform capable tools. That would certainly contradict their main marketing line of "We're not Windows!".
This deep-level cross-platform support becomes vital for that mid-range design software. They don't have the budget (dollars or hours) to build multiple tool sets which need maintaining for every new release of every supported operating system. As complexity increases (and lets face it - parametric design software is some of the most complex software out there) it requires more effort on the part of the programmers, who have less time to be fiddling around with their own internal tool sets. The only way they can be profitable is to focus on one single market which provides revenue, ease of development, and ease of maintenance.
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@sanabriaerik wrote:
@yoshimitsuspeed wrote:
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On a business side Autodesk is the only thing holding me back from running soley on linux.
You are not the only one!
Still great argument you got there.
Hopefully Autodesk will realize the potential of expanding its user base and not just with Inventor hopefully with most of their products and suites!
What potential?
The potential for one-off sales? How many seats of Inventor can you guarantee for a Linux version?
Name me a single large company that uses Linux for their primary workstation operating system.
When you get Lock-Mart, or General Dynamics, or General Electric, or Boeing, or someone else on that scale on board to ditch Windows in favor of Linux, then maybe you'll have a reason to spend development dollars on a Linux version of Inventor. Show Autodesk a guaranteed 5,000 new seats of Inventor that would be sold for Linux, or 5,000 existing susbscriptions that would be lost without Linux, and maybe you'll get some interest.
Until then ... not gonna happen.
Rusty
@yoshimitsuspeed wrote:
@LT.Rusty wrote:
@sanabriaerik wrote:
@yoshimitsuspeed wrote:
[...]
On a business side Autodesk is the only thing holding me back from running soley on linux.
You are not the only one!
Still great argument you got there.
Hopefully Autodesk will realize the potential of expanding its user base and not just with Inventor hopefully with most of their products and suites!
What potential?
The potential for one-off sales? How many seats of Inventor can you guarantee for a Linux version?
Name me a single large company that uses Linux for their primary workstation operating system.
When you get Lock-Mart, or General Dynamics, or General Electric, or Boeing, or someone else on that scale on board to ditch Windows in favor of Linux, then maybe you'll have a reason to spend development dollars on a Linux version of Inventor. Show Autodesk a guaranteed 5,000 new seats of Inventor that would be sold for Linux, or 5,000 existing susbscriptions that would be lost without Linux, and maybe you'll get some interest.
Until then ... not gonna happen.
Your reply shows a breathtaking level of ignorance.
Linux originated as an open source alternative to Unix. Some of the biggest companies in the world use varios forms of NIX.
Many universities run linux/unix. Many banks run on some form of nix. Many large corperations have their whole on internal OSes based on Nix.
http://www.tecmint.com/big-companies-and-devices-running-on-gnulinux/
So if all those big companies prefer to use Linux then what is stopping mid level businesse from choosing to use it?
Maybe because their mid level software is based on .net and directx and they have no choice but to use Windows.
Oh please.
That page lists 30 items, sure. ONE of them - only a single solitary one - is describing generic desktop computing ... and that one is extremely non-specific. It says - and I quote - "Though a little late, Linux made a notable presence in the desktop computing market. In school and academics as well as in government offices Linux are being widely used, these days."
Virtually everything else on that list is talking about servers or embedded devices / systems.
Again - show me (or rather show Autodesk) the numbers. If you can show them that they'll guaranteed gain several thousand new seats, or that they'll guaranteed lose several thousand existing seats, then you'll get some attention.
@sanabriaerik wrote:
Thank you!
And in most cases the Linux equivalent of a microsoft API is better! Like opengl vs directx.
The only interest of Microsoft is to grow it's monopoly and sadly Autodesk is feeding it.
Take for example Autodesks media and entertainment products. Maya, Mudbox and Motionbuilde run equally in Linux, Mac (except for motionbuilder) and Windows. Huge customers like Pixar, Dreamworks all use Linux because they find it better than Mac or Windows for their work.
If OpenGL is so much better than Direct3D, then why doesn't Inventor still use it? Inventor started off with OpenGL, and sometime back around 2005-6-7 or so ditched it in favor of Direct3D.
Even more to the point - if OpenGL is so much better than Direct3D, then why do I need a Quadro or FirePro card to run OpenGL stuff well, but Inventor works just fine on a standard video card?
When it comes to the media and entertainment products - yeah, someone showed Autodesk a solid business case for making *nix compatible versions of those programs. I'd be willing to bet, however, that a version of Maya or Mudbox that runs on Ubuntu is mostly available because it didn't take a whole lot of extra time or money to compile it, though - I highly doubt that Pixar is running an off-the-shelf *nix distro.
Rusty
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